Attention emo's

00bob00 · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:55

Sic said:
*yawn*

are we not tiring of the emo debate? SUPER MEGA SNIP-SNIP-SNIP

absolutely spot on in my opinion, i would have said it but to be fair someone else had already done the hard grunt

theleg · 7 Jun 2006 at 16:58

Sic said:
so, you think it's logical to prejudge a person purely because of their appearance? why is this so unacceptable with racism, but it's fine when you're winding up an emo kid? i'm not saying people can't have an opinion, but the original post attempts to label all emo kids as whiney, poetry-writing, self-mutilators. would you agree that this is an accurate assumption, or the BS rant of some narrow-minded, ill-educated (not scholastically, before someone picks a hole in that) individual?

I cant comment on the original post...Im not talking about that and neither is the thread at this point

I have a preconceived impression of people who label themselves as, or fit into the mould of 'emo'..Thats based upon coming in contact with many emoesque people. I dont immediately think theyre scum..I dont believe they are all exactly the same...but i do think that generally, they arent my kind of people...They are very meek, very withdrawn, often low self confidence and worst of all, often fake as hell..The self mutilation thing doesnt really factor into it for me..

surely you know that someone's personality doesnt instantly change because they put on a pair of tight jeans!?

Of course not, but theres more to it than that. If theyre into the emo scene then most of the time they try to portray a certain image and a certain personality type..There must be a semi universal personality or image type in order to even establish a group identity in the first place.

i'm not having a go at people who have a different opinion to mine, because their opinion is on a totally different gradient to me, and i think it's unacceptable to hate/reject a person/group of people based on their opinion. now, if you advocate racism in any form, let me know so i know where i stand with you on this debate

Its nothing at all like racism...Emo is a choice...These people choose to listen to that kind of music, they choose to dress in that way, they choose to act in that way, they choose to portray this particular image. Equating a dislike of a particular social trend to racism is extremely insulting to those who have experienced racism and is more than a little arrogant.

Sic · 7 Jun 2006 at 17:02

Balddog said:
Its nothing at all like racism...Emo is a choice...These people choose to listen to that kind of music, they choose to dress in that way, they choose to act in that way, they choose to portray this particular image. Equating a dislike of a particular social trend to racism is extremely insulting to those who have experienced racism and is more than a little arrogant.

so, you think given the choice, a person who's been subject to racism would choose to change their skin colour/nationality?

as you've implied before, we're going to differ on this issue, and i've got no intention to change it. if what you've read into what i've said is insulting, that's your problem...but you can't deny that the unjustified hate/resent of an entire group because of what they stand for and what they look like more than closely resembles racism!

theleg · 7 Jun 2006 at 17:05

Sic said:
so, you think given the choice, a person who's been subject to racism would choose to change their skin colour/nationality?

as you've implied before, we're going to differ on this issue, and i've got no intention to change it. if what you've read into what i've said is insulting, that's your problem...but you can't deny that the unjustified hate/resent of an entire group because of what they stand for and what they look like more than closely resembles racism!

Of course not......but would someone, given the choice, choose to because a black man in apartheid south africa for example?

and what is unjustified? why is my dislike of the emo culture unjustified? because you dont agree?

Some people find the dislike of the BNP unjustified as well...

Arcade Fire · 7 Jun 2006 at 17:11

VIRII said:
I did, but then I would not stoop to making a joke at the expense of physically or mentally disabled people to try and show how witty I am.

A good point. I hereby apologise to all of the fingerless mentally disabled people who were offended by my comments.

SidewinderINC · 7 Jun 2006 at 17:21

Balddog said:
Well you rolled your eyes...that doesnt usually imply a positive meaning..

If you dress in an extreme fringe style, then no, youre not normal. Maybe its the wording you have a problem with...Would unusual be better?

i have a biiig problem with the word "normal" becuase to be called not normal i find very offensive, but if i was called different then it assumes people are on a level plane.

for somebody to say to me "i'm normal, you're not normal" i would be offended, as it infers that they are portraying themselves on a higher level to me.
if they said "you're different to me" its fine.

VIRII · 7 Jun 2006 at 17:21

Sic said:
i wouldn't want people prejudging me based on the clothes i feel comfortable in, and making assumptions on ridiculous potential aspects of my personality based on my hair colour and whether i part it at the side. surely all the ****-takers can see why this is SO retarded?

Surely you recognise that people in general and probably even yourself do make judgements on people that you pass in the street base dpurely upon their appearance.
If 5 large skinheads with oxbloods, yellow laces and red braces came marching down the street towards you then what would you think? I doubt you'd think nothing at all. Would you feel a little nervous? You'd be prejudging.

The might all be really lovely and gentle people but you will judge them on what you see and what you associate with what you see.

VIRII · 7 Jun 2006 at 17:22

Sic said:
so, you think it's logical to prejudge a person purely because of their appearance? why is this so unacceptable with racism, but it's fine when you're winding up an emo kid?

As per my previous post it is completely normal. Judging someone on skin colour is judging them on an aspect of their appearance that they have no ability to change. Judging someone for the image theat they choose to cultivate and portray is another matter all together.

VIRII · 7 Jun 2006 at 17:24

Arcade Fire said:
A good point. I hereby apologise to all of the fingerless mentally disabled people who were offended by my comments.

theleg · 7 Jun 2006 at 17:25

SidewinderINC said:
i have a biiig problem with the word "normal" becuase to be called not normal i find very offensive, but if i was called different then it assumes people are on a level plane.

for somebody to say to me "i'm normal, you're not normal" i would be offended, as it infers that they are portraying themselves on a higher level to me.
if they said "you're different to me" its fine.

Why is that?

I dont need to use words to assume everyone is on a level plane because I take that as a given :dunno:

It essentially means the same thing, its just your hang up on words thats the problem...Its pretty clear as to how ive used the word normal in this thread.

SidewinderINC · 7 Jun 2006 at 17:27

i guess its just my take on the word "normal", and how in many instances being abnormal is a bad thing.

VIRII · 7 Jun 2006 at 17:33

SidewinderINC said:
i guess its just my take on the word "normal", and how in many instances being abnormal is a bad thing.

Being normal would indicate conforming to the largest social stereotype in the broadest terms.

SidewinderINC · 7 Jun 2006 at 17:43

VIRII said:
Being normal would indicate conforming to the largest social stereotype in the broadest terms.

being told i dont dress normally would suit me down to a tee, i'd happily accept that, but being told straight up that i'm not normal wouldnt - because that indicates personally being abnormal too.

VIRII · 7 Jun 2006 at 17:53

SidewinderINC said:
being told i dont dress normally would suit me down to a tee, i'd happily accept that, but being told straight up that i'm not normal wouldnt - because that indicates personally being abnormal too.

Well don't people with statistically normal personality types want to conform and therefore dress to conform. Whereas the abnormal personality types either deliberately aim not to conform or don't really care about conforming?

SidewinderINC · 7 Jun 2006 at 17:58

i'd say i'm quite a straight up person, i listen to heavy metal yes, but i wouldnt say i'm a "mettaler" in any sense of the term. but again having said that about 70% of my wardrobe is black...

VIRII · 7 Jun 2006 at 18:03

SidewinderINC said:
i'd say i'm quite a straight up person, i listen to heavy metal yes, but i wouldnt say i'm a "mettaler" in any sense of the term. but again having said that about 70% of my wardrobe is black...

I have to ask : Why do you care what other people classify you as or think about you as they pass you by in the street?

SidewinderINC · 7 Jun 2006 at 18:05

good point!

in all honesty i dont particular care when people shout out goth or what have you, but if somebody came up to me and told me i wasnt normal it would be rather cutting (but not me cutting myself, thats too emo

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VIRII · 7 Jun 2006 at 18:28

SidewinderINC said:
good point!
in all honesty i dont particular care when people shout out goth or what have you, but if somebody came up to me and told me i wasnt normal it would be rather cutting (but not me cutting myself, thats too emo )

Gah you need to get thicker skin then

It'll serve two purposes, firstly it'll stop people being able to bother you and it'll make it harder to cut yourself

The kind of people who call out at you from across the road to impress their mates are just muppets anyway following the pack animal instinct and preying on those that they think are easy prey. They don't even know "why" they do it.