Australian Grand Prix 2015, Melbourne - Race 1/19

I don't think they are simple, but I think breaking down to each individual part they aren't as complex as you think. A 1.6 split v6 isn't particularly difficult to make. A electric motor is pretty basic. The complexity comes both in putting them together as a hybrid and also in managing the electrical harvesting/output for sure.

The breaking down into individual parts is what the 2009 KERS units were, and probably most of the road-going equivalents. These things are much more integrated. Take away any one part of the PU and whole unit tends to fall over.

Due to the regulations regarding engine quotas they're covered in sensors too, so if something is detected outside of the acceptable parameters they shut down to try to protect the affected part, which is where most of Honda's issues in testing appeared to be.


A lot of the Mclaren problems appear to be in packaging with too hot intake air on various parts of the engine. Honda's side seems to be getting their engine to work in the Mclaren hotbox chassis and problems with electrical side of the engine.

Yup, we'll just have to wait and see. I keep saying that they're planned to suffer these sort of issues initially (perhaps not to this degree though!) in order to get the most out of the package for next year. The problem is if the overheating at Melbourne was down to general heat build up, then Sepang can only be worse. That said, they did appear to turn up Button's engine a little in the race, which hopefully bodes well, and they would have got a heck of a lot of data.



Surely you have to start the race at the very least to be considered a retiree?

imo 4 retired and 3 DNS (irrelevant if they did or didnt do the formation lap)

Technically yes, but they made it out of the garage and stopped due to mechanical issues, which to my mind is a retirement.
 
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Reliability aside, I think Hamilton is going to cruise to this WDC with absolute ease.

I think having the title under his belt with give him such a boost and there will be no pressure and he'll just go out and win week in week out.
Rosberg did comment that all the pressure is on Hamilton which is just mind games as that is completely untrue.

All the pressure is on Rosberg. He's in the only other competitive car and Hamilton won last year so it's up to Rosberg to show he can compete.

Not really watching this any more but will keep up with some highlights etc.

Shame Bottas couldn't race - not the ideal start to his season given he is probably fave to take 3rd place behind the 2 Mercs.

Hopefully the reliability for all teams is improved as it's boring to see so many out like that.
 
He does have a confidence boost yeah, but I still think it's gonna be a fight. As above one DNF or Nico Playing games on track again and the tides can turn. Lewis won't have it all his own way. Still, least it's nice only having to really worry about your team mate. I want to see them closer and pushing each other. I want to see Mercs true pace!
 
Yup, we'll just have to wait and see. I keep saying that they're planned to suffer these sort of issues initially (perhaps not to this degree though!) in order to get the most out of the package for next year. The problem is if the overheating at Melbourne was down to general heat build up, then Sepang can only be worse. That said, they did appear to turn up Button's engine a little in the race, which hopefully bodes well, and they would have got a heck of a lot of data.

Seems to be a lot of the Honda guy talking pretty openly about the issues, but all relying on translation as the interviews are all in Japanese.

Temps on Saturday meant the intake temps were too much for the engine and they had to turn it down, they are worried about temps in Malaysia as a result(and future races beyond that no doubt). They had to run conservative engine maps due to the temps though it wasn't entirely clear if this was in regards to the ICE or the mgu-k only.

The mgu-k in paritcular struggles very badly in qualifying due to the overall output you can produce in qualifying vs per lap in the race(4MJ vs 2MJ). That is I think where Mclaren are going to have the biggest fundamental issue. He's saying the biggest heat problem is with the MGU-K, it was running at 35% of output so that heat wasn't going to kill it. It's basically tucked up under the engine without enough cooling.

He talks about zero compromise from Mclaren, nor themselves, which makes a fix hard to envisage if neither is willing to make changes to location/chassis to get air/cooling to it. He was specifically asked about opening up holes in the chassis for cooling and said nope, no compromise from Mclaren, asked about if they can improve cooling to it, no, no compromise. How can you fix it or improve temps if neither party is willing to make the necessary compromise?

You can only harvest 2MJ per lap from the MGU-K, but an unlimited amount from the MGU-H. The Honda specs were said to be 4MJ output for the mGU-K in qualifying but only 2MJ in the race and he made multiple mention of not using MGU-K aggressively as once it was used up it was hard to recharge it. That they are specifically calling it 4MJ in qualifying and 2MJ/lap in race and talking about how the heat output is very hard to handle, it suggests they've made a design in which they can't harvest more than 2MJ/lap and currently can't even use half of that amount per lap due to heat issues. This is while Merc last year and now Ferrari this year are using way more than 2MJ/lap in the race, how much more is a complete guess but Ferrari's biggest issue was ERS, they underspec'd the turbo, the mgu-h and didn't harvest enough power, improving those parts has improved the engine no end.


It's seeming more and more like Honda did what Ferrari did, underplayed ERS, overplayed ICE but also with a bias towards packaging(Ferrari did that also but without the same size zero concept so cooling/reliability weren't issues). Even if they can sort out heat issues/reliability(which with their comments of not compromising the package... is questionable) it's looking increasingly likely that they will be significantly down on overall ERS as Ferrari/Renault were last year. I'm not convinced they'll get competitive by the end of the year and I wouldn't be surprised if they end up loosening up the packaging for next year, changing the MGU-K location and focusing more on ERS like Ferrari did over winter.



He also said end of the race they simply used more fuel, no lifting and coasting, being aggressive. They were running with crap ERS so crap efficiency and thus going around as slow as required to make the end. They then found themselves 2 laps down with 2 laps of extra fuel.... hence they sped up.
 
Reliability aside, I think Hamilton is going to cruise to this WDC with absolute ease.

I think having the title under his belt with give him such a boost and there will be no pressure and he'll just go out and win week in week out.
Rosberg did comment that all the pressure is on Hamilton which is just mind games as that is completely untrue.

All the pressure is on Rosberg. He's in the only other competitive car and Hamilton won last year so it's up to Rosberg to show he can compete.

Not really watching this any more but will keep up with some highlights etc.

Shame Bottas couldn't race - not the ideal start to his season given he is probably fave to take 3rd place behind the 2 Mercs.

Hopefully the reliability for all teams is improved as it's boring to see so many out like that.

I've got a feeling that Ferrari may be the stronger overall package than the Williams tbh, and I've a feeling Vettel has a good shout at 3rd in the WDC... the Williams will probably be stronger at Monza and on the straight oriented tracks though.
 
Ferrari have a stronger (combined) driver line up and will likely have more development in season. In a straight fight I agree, Ferrari should have them covered.
 
Agreed you can already see the WDC final standings of Ham>Ros>Vet.

I don't see it turning out any other way unless the situation is massively shaken up or some serious reliability issues come in to play for either of the above. I wish Alonso would get a good car ffs! :(
 
the Williams will probably be stronger at Monza and on the straight oriented tracks though.

Williams struggled relatively at the low downforce tracks, as the core car didn't generate as much a downforce as the likes of the Red Bull or Ferrari, so when they trimmed the wings, they lost more downforce than them, so they sort of meet in the middle.

Most were expecting Williams to challenge Mercedes, but they never really got close at either track.

Things have moved pretty quickly in that respect, as it was only in 2009 when the same properties of the Force India car allowed it to qualify on pole and would have won if it weren't for Raikkonen's KERS, then they qualified strongly at Monza too.
 
Does anyone actually see Rosberg beating Hamilton this season? He just doesn't look like being close to matching him on race day.
 
Does anyone actually see Rosberg beating Hamilton this season? He just doesn't look like being close to matching him on race day.

He never has, regardless of if Rosberg had won it last year, he was the worse driver. Hamilton might break his leg and miss half the season and not win it, presuming he came back the same driver he'd still be better than him.

What I did suspect is that Rosberg would finally focus on tire wear and fuel usage and set up his car less for qualifying and more for the race. As I saw it last year Hamilton is basically, talent based, 0.5-1 seconds faster than Rosberg. Then Rosberg would set up towards qualifying gaining half a second in qualifying, but losing half a second in race pace. So qualifying was almost half each(as both big failures in qualifying Hamilton looked much faster) but when it came to race pace Hamilton could effectively at will pull out 0.5-1.5 second on him or gain that time on him if he was behind. He did that over and over, despite a mistake in Brazil he caught him very fast. Canada, caught him very quickly, Monza, was eating into his lead very fast, over and over he was able to destroy Rosberg in closing a gap but wasn't always able to pass depending on the track.

This year I expected Rosberg to give up that qualifying pace advantage but be closer in races as a result. Could that be why he was a half a second off in qualifying but his fuel usage was much closer to Hamilton and tires didn't seem as bad for him as usual? Maybe.
 
Yeah reliability could be a big factor and it's unlikely Rosberg will get many (if any) finishes lower than 2nd given just how far ahead the Merc is.
I just feel like Hamilton looks in a better place mentally than since he was a rookie.

Mind you, I am not a fan of any driver and rarely see any media of them so won't have the full picture.

Rosberg said it himself though - had a crap weekend but car is so strong he still easily finished 2nd. So the car alone will keep him in with a chance.

All things being equal on a reliability front though and I think it's a 1 horse race.

Still, I've never cared much about leaders being so far ahead. As long as there are battles all down the field and good racing that's why I watch.
 
Hamilton is not only naturally fast, he has massive self-belief. We saw it last year that he thinks he can get past anyone, and he usually does. He always goes for it, and that's what makes him one of the most exciting overtakers.

The Mercedes cars are mighty again this year, but I don't think Rosberg is as naturally fast or talented as Hamilton. We saw last year in the same car that Hamilton simply was better wheel-to-wheel. Even Rosberg admitted that he was weaker there and needed to improve that aspect of his driving for this year.
 
1989 is a perfect example where the better driver doesn't win.

13/16 poles for Ayrton.

6 retirements and an unfair disqualification vs 3 retirements for Alain.

Until Japan that was 5 vs 1.
 
Did Honda not have unlimited access to Mercedes engine last year though? When it was in the back of the McLaren?

You really think there wouldn't be an NDA?

In a sport where engines are so important, it's inconceivable that people haven't attempted to copy and hence NDAs existing.
 
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