What if this is the first occurance of sudden rage?
Autistic teenager kicked baby in the face
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What if this is the first occurance of sudden rage?
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Oh, well that makes it ok then. What we should do is allow him to carry on as normal and hope something like this doesn’t happen again.
We know something like this will happen again because apparently he's profoundly autistic and can’t tell right from wrong. You’d hope someone in the past has at leased attempted to explain to him that it’s not ok to go around kicking babies in the face. Why will be any different second time around?
You can't have it both ways. He can't be given a second chance to behave, but not held responsible if he doesn’t. He ether knows right from wrong, or he doesn’t. You also can't rely on 24/7 supervision because inevitably "mistakes" will be made. Is that fair on the rest of us?
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I do believe he is autistic but I might have missed that bit.
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Not only do we not know that, we do not know any of the facts surrounding the incident. Once again, people are prepared to send someone to prison, attack him or worse without knowing anything other than a news report about the case.
The level of mental disability would surely have a bearing on how the attacker is treated.
How interesting, my 15 year old is Autistic and my 3 year old isn't, my breath has been utterly taken away by some of the attitudes on here.
Savantism (the "cleverness") in Autism is very rare, though the examples are normally amazing, the ability to draw from memory etc (there's quite a chance Mozart and Einstien were mildly autistic).
Autistics live in a constant state of high anxiety, loud noises terrify them, my son runs off if a road drill goes off or a fire alarm sounds, police sirens made him sob until recently, I doubt strongly the Autistic acted with any malice, possibly the child screamed or shrieked and it was a terrified fight or flight response, I can see why he was taken to a Cafe too, somewhere usually quiet where he could practice normality.
My son has enough going on to realise the social unacceptability of this sort of action but some haven't.
About ten years ago my son shouted, something incomprehensible, really loudly at (or near anyway) a child in asda's and the kiddie, understandably started crying, the mum got the dad, despite my apologies and explanations who asked where I got off bringing "maniacs I couldn't control out in public" and "I'd put him in an effin cage".
I left my shopping there and took my son and wife back to the car, as we were going out in the car he was coming out of the doors and he stood there half in the road staring at us aggressively and nodding his head.
I got out and fractured his skull and eye socket, got a fine, community service and 3 years probation but the judge had a few choice words for his attitude too.
Savantism (the "cleverness") in Autism is very rare, though the examples are normally amazing, the ability to draw from memory etc (there's quite a chance Mozart and Einstien were mildly autistic).
Autistics live in a constant state of high anxiety, loud noises terrify them, my son runs off if a road drill goes off or a fire alarm sounds, police sirens made him sob until recently, I doubt strongly the Autistic acted with any malice, possibly the child screamed or shrieked and it was a terrified fight or flight response, I can see why he was taken to a Cafe too, somewhere usually quiet where he could practice normality.
My son has enough going on to realise the social unacceptability of this sort of action but some haven't.
About ten years ago my son shouted, something incomprehensible, really loudly at (or near anyway) a child in asda's and the kiddie, understandably started crying, the mum got the dad, despite my apologies and explanations who asked where I got off bringing "maniacs I couldn't control out in public" and "I'd put him in an effin cage".
I left my shopping there and took my son and wife back to the car, as we were going out in the car he was coming out of the doors and he stood there half in the road staring at us aggressively and nodding his head.
I got out and fractured his skull and eye socket, got a fine, community service and 3 years probation but the judge had a few choice words for his attitude too.
Im afraid I agree with Stretch, he is a danger to the public so should be removed from society. His carers were apparently inept at caring for him.
What makes me mad is that the people defending the right of the Autistic person to kick a baby in the face just because they are autistic. Im sorry, you obviously don't have children. Autistic or not, I would without fail knock the guy out. If he is autistic, he won't be restrained until he is unconscious or dead.
I agree the level of disability should have a bearing on how the attacker is treated, but only in as far as whether he goes to prison or an asylum.
If he is autistic and doesn't know the consequence of his action, how did he know that kicking the baby in the face would silence it?
What makes me mad is that the people defending the right of the Autistic person to kick a baby in the face just because they are autistic. Im sorry, you obviously don't have children. Autistic or not, I would without fail knock the guy out. If he is autistic, he won't be restrained until he is unconscious or dead.
I agree the level of disability should have a bearing on how the attacker is treated, but only in as far as whether he goes to prison or an asylum.
If he is autistic and doesn't know the consequence of his action, how did he know that kicking the baby in the face would silence it?
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Your family sounds great.
You are no better then. What does your comment serve to prove? That you are as uncontrolable?
Nobody is saying send him to prison or prepared to attack him. They have said that had it been their child and in the heat of the moment they would have physically assaulted him, an attitude that is understandable, if not correct legally.
Not seen anybody wanting him sent to prison, separated from the general public and the possibility of this happening again yes but nobody saying to lock him up and throw away the key.
High horse much?
I'm not proud of it, in fact I wished at length it hadn't happened, but his leering aggressive face just pushed me over the edge, what's wrong with my family then, qualify that comment.
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I think that you did handle that situation the only way you could, although I no more condone violence in this case than in any other.
The ignorance, hostility and prejudice being displayed is, as you say, breathtaking.
Hope that your son is keeping well and not causing you too many sleepness nights.
rubber room and a straight jacket ?
So you didn't hit him when he was saying those things, but you broke his face for looking at you funny :/
well he could have just drove off with his family...
I'm no better than what?
It serves to show that the parents of Autistic are under pressures as well. And that the aggression and stupid fear of the general public of the mentally ill can really get you down, to the point of doing something quite irrational.
That's the first public assault by an autistic I've heard of and there are 250 thousand low function autistics in the UK, and many of you would have beaten someone like that up.
As, I'm fairly convinced would Asda man if it had just been my wife there
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It was about 2 minutes later when I was utterly seething for having been driven out of Asda's because my son was disabled and noisy.
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as posted by memphisto.
No high horse just telling you what has been suggested as solutions.
So defending your seven month old child from attack in the heat of the moment is unacceptable.
yet this guy launched a premeditated attack on another guy when all he had to do was drive away, but omg the guy looked at him funny! lets get out the car and cave his skull in!
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Agreed but I think I also might have been in a very dark place if it had happened to my family.
erm ok, read what i posted again, nobody in either of those quotes suggested prison or anything other than reacting in the heat of the moment if it was their child.