Automatics

Sealing it and saying it never needs servicing is just dumb. Eventually it's just going to eat itself. In a manual you can usually feel when the oil (or something else) is bad and don't continue to force it in to gear. But the first sign in an auto might be when it explodes all over the road.
Not usually, Autos show lots of signs of issues before they go, if anything i would argue moreso than a manual.

Fixing an Auto isnt the end of the world, either, even relatively modern boxes have rebuild services everywhere for around the £1k mark. A manual box exploding and needing flywheels and clutches etc isnt going to be a massively different proposition.
 
Not usually, Autos show lots of signs of issues before they go, .

Indeed, they are considerate that way, in my experience a second or two
delay in taking up drive after putting in D and teenage styled truculence
when trying to select reverse is a sign that the box is on its last legs.
 
Like most EV owners I've met, I expect we'll just pester everyone else and harp on like militant vegans about how we're the only ones saving the planet...

While ignoring environmental damage from lithium battery manufacturing or the limited supply of rare Earth metals. Which are both going to be an issue before 2040. But I guess those are next century's problems :D
 
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While ignoring environmental damage from lithium battery manufacturing or the limited supply of rare Earth metals. Which are both going to be an issue before 2040. But I guess those are next century's problems :D

You probably need to be more clear about why it is rare when you probably meant low in supply, since most current batteries are mainly cobalt, graphite, manganese, aluminium, nickel and lithium, none of which are particularly rare.
 
You probably need to be more clear about why it is rare when you probably meant low in supply, since most current batteries are mainly cobalt, graphite, manganese, aluminium, nickel and lithium, none of which are particularly rare.

But there are others in the EV. Platinum, copper, gold. Much more than on ICE cars.
 

Excellent article, and shows that lots of manufacturers have turned to ensuring their supply chain is being fulfilled by countries that are better than just going for the cheapest/easiest option. Anyhow back on topic, before the thread goes to far off on a tangent, gear boxes have had it, lets face it as I said if you didn't already go Auto in the next 5-10 years you won't have one if buying new or new(ish)
 
Or the fact that their car and any parts needed to make it have to be shipped over on a big boat, that uses more gallons of filthy dirty diesel per hour than my car uses in 7 years!!

Off topic somewhat, but I just wanted to point out that it's a bit misleading to talk about big dirty ships based on the amount of fuel they use alone. When you take into account the amount of cargo they move, container ships are actually one of the most carbon-efficient methods of freight transport.
It might take 7 years for your car to burn the same amount of fuel that ship does in an hour, but I doubt it will ever move a comparable amount of cargo/passengers in that time frame.

Even so, there’s a reason all this stuff travels by boat. Aside from being the cheapest mode, it’s also the most carbon-efficient method of shipping: A big ship will emit about 0.4 ounces of carbon dioxide to transport 2 tons of cargo 1 mile. That’s roughly half as much as a train, one-fifth as much as a truck and nearly a fiftieth of what an airplane would emit to accomplish the same task.

https://www.greenbiz.com/article/future-freight-more-shipping-less-emissions
https://timeforchange.org/co2-emissions-shipping-goods

I agree somewhat with your original point though; it's also not fair to claim EVs are saving the planet without taking into consideration the effects of their manufacturing requirements. I was just being picky as someone who works in an area of the logistics industry :p
 
However you have to wonder what all these manual users are going to do going from a manual box, to an EV with no gears at all, they'll have a melt down. :D

I've just moved from an 06 manual Civic to a Zoe, and have to say my concerns about moving to auto lasted for about half a mile :p it's certainly a far nicer drive than the auto Legnum vr4 and Volvo V40 I've owned in the past!

Also, anyone calling me a vegan is likely to find their face being used to tenderise a nice fat steak ;)
 
I've just moved from an 06 manual Civic to a Zoe, and have to say my concerns about moving to auto lasted for about half a mile :p it's certainly a far nicer drive than the auto Legnum vr4 and Volvo V40 I've owned in the past!

Also, anyone calling me a vegan is likely to find their face being used to tenderise a nice fat steak ;)

LOL! How about Veggie? Or did you enjoy some haggis last night for Burn's Night? :)
 
Once you've driven an EV, it's very difficult to go back. Much like once you've tried an SSD, going back to an HDD is just wrong. Or going from a 144Hz to 60Hz monitor. But yeah, I don't like the smug/rubbing it in other's faces attitude that some EV drivers take. The transition is in progress but it isn't going to happen over night. When it does, though, people are going to have to learn to love life without the gear stick. :)
 
Once you've driven an EV, it's very difficult to go back. Much like once you've tried an SSD, going back to an HDD is just wrong. Or going from a 144Hz to 60Hz monitor. But yeah, I don't like the smug/rubbing it in other's faces attitude that some EV drivers take. The transition is in progress but it isn't going to happen over night. When it does, though, people are going to have to learn to love life without the gear stick. :)

I think it will become a modding thing. Give them a manual gearstick and an extra pedal. (Not connected to anything obviously) So they can waggle it around, and use their foot.
Also link it to the stereo so it can go warrrrcccckkk when they press the go button. Add snap crackle and pop sounds ;)

Progress is a funny thing, sometimes you don't see the benefit until you use something, auto handbrake for example, Keyless Start, all sorts of things people don't notice who have it, but really notice when its taken away.

It used to be that choosing an auto, meant choosing a more expensive, slower accelerating, less fuel efficient car, Its rapidly getting to the point that choosing manual means choosing a slower accelerating , less fuel efficient car. Its probably only a matter of time until the cost also flips, or at least goes neutral cost option, as whilst cheaper to buy, as more people switch the manuals are likely to become more expensive due to lower demand, or even worse on economy etc (relatively).
The extra cost of an auto is no where near what the premium is when you spec it, its the manufacturers looking to max markup, as they always do, on options. Once its becomes standard or more cars it will likely open the floodgates and will sonn just become basic level. As things like AC etc have done.
 
Once you've driven an EV, it's very difficult to go back. Much like once you've tried an SSD, going back to an HDD is just wrong. Or going from a 144Hz to 60Hz monitor. But yeah, I don't like the smug/rubbing it in other's faces attitude that some EV drivers take. The transition is in progress but it isn't going to happen over night. When it does, though, people are going to have to learn to love life without the gear stick. :)

But my HDD will probably be working long after my SSD has died :D
 
Depends if you harp on about your EV like a vegan, or not... !

I don't think I do :p

I prefer the drive, and not having to visit a petrol station every week is nice, and I suppose the 27 Cambodian orphans who died mining the cobalt for the battery are with their parents now. I do miss the sound of an engine occasionally but then most of the time it's nice to roll along in relative silence. Each to their own, they certainly don't fit everyone's driving profile (at least not until charging speeds/range/both significantly improve)
 
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