Autonomous Vehicles

Great, sesevans spamming another thread/forum with comments where Google have skin in the game :o.

Thanks for your really helpful comment on the future of autonomous vehicles. You must have given it a lot of thought. There are so many fascinating developments happening in this field now. You might wish to become familiar with them as they are likely to be very important to the future of transportation.
 
Brexit: Could it be an advantage to Britain as far as driverless vehicles?

Bloomberg note suggests the UK may have an advantage over the rest of the EU as the UK strives to become a global leader in driverless vehicles. A second round of funding has been approved for research and testing. Freed from the EU, Britain could set its own rules and regulations and be free to fund this area more aggressively. The UK based Oxbotica quoted in this link.

Do you agree?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...nts-to-become-a-mecca-for-driverless-vehicles
 
What is the future for Avis, a leading car rental company, in the age of self driving vehicles? Wired addresses this question with Avis' CEO who last year signed a deal with Waymo to service its fleets of self driving vehicles in the Phoenix area. Recently Waymo ordered 62,000 more self driving Pacifica's from Fiat Chrysler.

Wired says you would not expect Avis to survive because in an age of self driving vehicles, who would rent a vehicle for many days? Avis is addressing this question by attempting to invest in a portfolio of possibilities to survive and thrive in this coming age.

https://www.wired.com/story/avis-ohad-zeira-self-driving-future/
 
Brexit: Could it be an advantage to Britain as far as driverless vehicles?

Bloomberg note suggests the UK may have an advantage over the rest of the EU as the UK strives to become a global leader in driverless vehicles. A second round of funding has been approved for research and testing. Freed from the EU, Britain could set its own rules and regulations and be free to fund this area more aggressively. The UK based Oxbotica quoted in this link.

Do you agree?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...nts-to-become-a-mecca-for-driverless-vehicles

We're only allowed to be negative about brexit, didn't you know :P
 
Who does a driverless car call when it needs help? A Human

According to the Wall St Journal:

"Some Phoenix-area residents have been hailing rides in minivans with no driversand no human safety operators inside. But that doesn’t mean they’re on their own if trouble arises.

From a command center, employees at Alphabet Inc.’s Waymo driverless-car unit monitor the test vehicles on computer screens, able to wirelessly peer in through the minivan’s cameras. If the robot brain maneuvering the vehicle gets confused by a situation—say, a car unexpectedly stalled in front of it or closed lanes of traffic—it will stop the vehicle and ask the command center to verify what it is seeing. If the human confirms the situation, the robot will calculate how it should navigate around the hazard.

Computers may be poised to take control of driving in the future, but humans will be backing them for some time yet. Tech giants Waymo and Uber Technologies Inc., auto makers General Motors Co. and Nissan MotorCo., and upstarts like Phantom Auto are all developing ways for people to remotely assist their autonomous vehicles during complicated driving situations.

“You’re going to want as many different backup systems as possible, and human beings performing remote operations is one of those,” said Anthony Foxx, former U.S. Transportation Secretary and adviser to venture-capital firm Autotech Ventures. Having human backup will likely help alleviate concerns that regulators and insurance companies have about the new technology, he added.

Driverless cars, using sensors, cameras and digital maps, tend to navigate the world based on road markings and rules of the road. A police officer with a flag waving traffic around a crash, for example, could be confusing to the system, resulting in the vehicle stopped.

Testing of self-driving vehicles on public roads underscores that even the most established autonomous-vehicle systems still require humans to take the wheel in such instances, or when there is a perceived safety threat. According to California state records, human operators of Waymo test vehicles took control 0.8 times for every 1,000 miles driven. Most companies had significantly more takeovers.

In April, California adopted new testing rules for driverless cars that no longer demand a human safety operator be behind the wheel, but they do require a person to remotely monitor the car and communicate with riders. The provision also says the remote operator may have the ability to control the driving task.

Waymo and GM’s Cruise Automation say their remote operators use two-way cellular connections to convey messages to cars. The vehicles seek help from a safe location, such as when stopped, then ping the operator for help to confirm a situation and, if still confused, that person can then plot out a suggested alternative path to avoid the obstacle, according to the companies. The robot won’t proceed if it doesn’t think the path is clear and, in theory, the computer brain will learn how to handle similar situations in the future, the companies say."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/who-does-a-driverless-car-call-when-it-needs-help-a-human-1528191000
 
Tesla talks about Autopilot, sensors v LIDAR and self driving vehicles this week. According to Ars Tecnica:

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A "significant" upgrade to Autopilot, Tesla's advanced driver assistance system (ADAS) suite is due next week. Musk claimed that improvements to the system would increase exponentially in the next 12-18 months. As for "full self-driving," Musk revealed he "was just testing that last night at 1am." He then went on to say that Tesla might be able to release something in a couple of months. According to Musk, there have been two different approaches to developing autonomous driving; one really complicated path "that isn't working great" and a simple one that is. He added that he was able to go from onramp to offramp with the simple system.

Another question from the audience asked when a "showdown" between lidar and optical sensors for autonomous driving might happen. Again, Musk described lidar as a crutch, saying that it "causes companies to go to a local maximum for autonomous capability." He then went off on a tangent about lidar sensors—apparently everyone else is doing it wrong and should be using a 4mm wavelength.

Musk also said that the company might start offering free trials of Autopilot to Tesla owners beginning next month."

Interesting times.
 
Waymo announced yesterday that it will reach 7 million miles of self driving vehicle testing this week, approximately one month after announcing 6 million miles. That is impressive as it is an accelerating pace.

No one else in the industry is close to this number. Uber had racked up 3 million miles before it suspended its testing in March following the fatality. And GM Cruise had accumuated 131,000 miles between Dec 2016 and Nov 2017, the last time info was made available.

Yet the pace seems capable of really accelerating once Waymo launches its commercial ride hailing service later this year in Arizona. Why? 1 million miles per month is 33,000 miles per day. If I am correct, Waymo's self driving testing fleet of 600 SUVs, etc means each is averaging 55 miles per day. If most testing is going on in suburbs of Arizona (I appreciate more is being tested in other cities in the US too) with relatively open roads where you can travel at an average speed of at least 20 mph, that implies only a few hours of testing per vehicle per day.

Seems that they are keeping the miles driven low to perfect the maintenance/charging and servicing of the fleet, develop the app surrounding the launch of the service, keeping a tight control over the numbers in the Early Rider programme, carefully studying "edge" cases to provide more data to their insurer to reduce insurance premiums, etc.

So once they can go fully operational with their fleet running 8 hours per day at least, you could see the number of self driving miles accumulated accelerate markedly, further distancing Waymo from the competition. Driving at least 3 or 4 times longer per day, even assuming a low number of 600 SUVs in operation, would imply 3 million miles of autonomous driving per month. Since I expect Waymo's Arizona fleet of self driving vehicles to be much greater than 600 vehicles at the time of the commercial launch later this year, I expect a really huge increase in autonomous miles per month.
 
Very interesting article from the Sunderland UK Express newspaper discussing the moral imperative of creating fully autonomous cars that in the view of the authors will make British roads safer.

For example: "In 10 years' time the cars that are produced will have had the benefit of all the experience of all the other cars that have driven and all the accidents that shouldn't have happened. "That is exactly not true of 18-year-olds and their driving lessons."

And ""What we want to do is fully automate and not messing with the system. It has to work everywhere all the time."

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/driverless-cars-can-make-the-roads-safer-says-expert-1-9200251
 
Tesla's Version 9 software expected in August with "full self driving features" according to Tesla CEO.

Version 9 replaces Version 8 from 2 years ago. According to Elektek, "It doesn’t necessarily mean that Tesla’s vehicle will be able to drive autonomously, but that Tesla will start releasing features under the “Full Self-Driving Capability” package available for Autopilot 2.0 cars." The ability for drivers to use the self driving capability will depend on regulatory approval in that jurisdiction, etc.

https://electrek.co/2018/06/10/tesl...te-fully-self-driving-features-elon-musk/amp/
 
While the Waymo brand is reasonably well known in the US, it is not well known in Europe, outside of blogs like these. So Waymo announced recently its intention to work with a partner (s) in Europe.

This link suggests Uber as one potential partner. Google is an investor in Uber, as it is in Lyft, but Lyft has not entered Europe yet.

https://www.techradar.com/news/waym...s-cars-in-europe-but-it-could-face-challenges
 

Any thoughts on how Waymo envisages making their services compliance with EU (and thus UK) equality legislation? I can't see them being being compliant under their current model using the i-Pace and the Pacifica without an operator (which kind of defeats the point).

After all whats reasonable for an individual self employed driver vs a multi billion $ company is very different.

I can see 2 options that could work. They have a specialist vehicle designed that can fully automate the loading of a wheel chair with the person institute with no help from a 3rd party. Even then I'm not sure how that would be legal as they would effectively be unrestrained.

It's either that or they have specialist cars with an operator to support the loading and unloading of passengers. That sounds really quite expensive especially considering that they would also need to provide a similar service (in terms of punctuality) but they also wouldn't be able to charge any more for the service, it would need to be baked into everyone's cost.

This is another one of those legislative issues that they are going to need a solution for to be able to launch here.
 
I don't think there is any way around it. You can't have disabled passengers loading themselves in to taxis, health and safety would never allow it.
 
Any thoughts on how Waymo envisages making their services compliance with EU (and thus UK) equality legislation? I can't see them being being compliant under their current model using the i-Pace and the Pacifica without an operator (which kind of defeats the point).

After all whats reasonable for an individual self employed driver vs a multi billion $ company is very different.

I can see 2 options that could work. They have a specialist vehicle designed that can fully automate the loading of a wheel chair with the person institute with no help from a 3rd party. Even then I'm not sure how that would be legal as they would effectively be unrestrained.

It's either that or they have specialist cars with an operator to support the loading and unloading of passengers. That sounds really quite expensive especially considering that they would also need to provide a similar service (in terms of punctuality) but they also wouldn't be able to charge any more for the service, it would need to be baked into everyone's cost.

This is another one of those legislative issues that they are going to need a solution for to be able to launch here.

You cite the examples of Waymo complying with State law in certain US States like Arizona which permits them to operate without a human in the front seats of their self driving Fiat Chrysler Pacificas. They are expected to launch their commercial ride hailing vehicle service using these Pacificas and soon also iPace, there soon.

Current EU regulation does not permit a self driving vehicle to operate with no safety driver in the front seat.

As noted, Waymo has stated they expect to adopt a different approach in the EU than in the US and the service may focus on other than a ride hailing service initially. So the form factor and purpose of their EU based vehicle is not yet known.

But perhaps the example in California is relevant here. If Waymo's application is approved, California's new law proposes the ability of tele-operation. If the self driving vehicle comes across a situation that it does not know how to solve, a remote operator can cause the vehicle to move safely to the side of the road, when the situation is available. Perhaps this can be extended to other areas, most relevant would be your comment about passenger equality under EU rules. Could Waymo team with an operator of robotics to install the ramp for the disabled passenger as well as strapping the passenger into the seat?

Just spit-balling an idea of course. No details available yet on what Waymo plans in the EU.
 
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