They are if the sale occurs inside the EU.
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They are if the sale occurs inside the EU.
Show me the legislation for USED electronic equipment that makes manufacturers directly liable for warranty.
SOGA can cover you, but if its out of the statutory 90days, then you would have to go through the Civil courts.
The sales of goods act covers second hand goods fully if they have been bought from a business.
It has to be fit for purpose, it has to work for a reasonable amount of time (the 90 days thing is meaningless) and any issues with it that could compromise the longevity or impact on its lifespan have to be pointed out prior to, or at the time of purchase for them to have an affect the liability of said item.
as I said, it would fall under SOGA, but the end user would have to prove the fault.
Manufacturer warranty are technically offered as curtosy, the legislation is with the seller.
And 'Bgrade' is used, so even though its from a retailer, it can and usally is an issue post 90days.
BTW the 6year soga thing, that is the cut off period for claiming for a defect, its not an automatic right(warranty period).
Even with new items, the onus is upon the buyer to prove the deffect, not the retailer.
Manufacturer warranty are technically offered as curtosy, the legislation is with the seller.
And 'Bgrade' is used, so even though its from a retailer, it can and usally is an issue post 90days.
BTW the 6year soga thing, that is the cut off period for claiming for a defect, its not an automatic right(warranty period).
Even with new items, the onus is upon the buyer to prove the deffect, not the retailer.
So your suggesting a manufacturer can put a warranty on an item and then go "We dont actually have to do anything", what planet are you on
Warranty's are not a given right on Used items.
Many manufacturers clearly state that they are non transferable anyway, and they will usually know by the serial number or when you present your invoice showing the items was purchased as 'b grade'
Anyway, i was just pointing out the error in assumption, I know for a fact many manufacturers would probably not be too concerned about the item been 'bgrade' if you returned it to them say after 9months, but don't expect that you have any where near the same protection as if you purchased NEW.
£260 for a Gigabyte 7970 http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BG-302-GI 
£260 for a Gigabyte 7970 http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BG-302-GI
Bought one.
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£260 for a Gigabyte 7970 http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BG-302-GI
That is a good price.
My attitude toward that is becoming a bit 'meh' i have a Gigabyte 7870 which is not voltage locked, it has a fantastic cooler on it.
It still runs at 1150 / 1500 without unlocking the voltage, 1245 / 1500 with.
1245 / 1500 is good for point scoring, but for every day use forget it, and it does not really make my gaming experience any better anyway as it already runs just about everything maxed with very good or 60 FPS Avrg Frame Rates.
But i do agree with the principle of letting the user set his own volts at his own risk.
I only unlock the voltage for benching these days, i have settled into my 24/7 clock without the need to unlock it.
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Firstly not all of the B-grade stock has actually been used, some will be DSR or just things with missing bits, but anyway the legislation is EU Directive 1999/44/EC, it basically says all consumer goods sold in the EU have a minimum 2 year warranty or 1 year if they are used/refurbished/open box/b grade products. In addition it also makes the manufacturer responsible for any personal injury and/or property damage caused by a fault (useful to know for PSU's or surge protectors).
Manufacturers can always try and argue it of course but it didn't work for Apple
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Firstly not all of the B-grade stock has actually been used, some will be DSR or just things with missing bits, but anyway the legislation is EU Directive 1999/44/EC, it basically says all consumer goods sold in the EU have a minimum 2 year warranty or 1 year if they are used/refurbished/open box/b grade products. In addition it also makes the manufacturer responsible for any personal injury and/or property damage caused by a fault (useful to know for PSU's or surge protectors).
Manufacturers can always try and argue it of course but it didn't work for Apple
This is a time limit for complaint, not warranty !
And its actually 6years as deffined by the UK SOGA.
EU Directive 1999/44/EC states that all European Union member states must allow consumers to make a claim for faulty or misdescribed goods under their consumer rights for a minimum of two years. English law already allows you to make a claim for up to six years from the date you bought the goods and for up to five years in Scotland. Therefore if you buy any goods from any other EU member state, you can assume that you can make a claim for faulty or misdescribed goods for at least two years after.
You are confusing E.U and UK SOGA law.
All 'Bgrade' products are sold as 'used' hence the statutory 3months(90day) warranty given, and not the 1year as you seem to think.
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Nope, the time limit for complaint is 2 months. Im not confusing anything I was reading it directly as I typed my post.
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By two months I mean after you discover the issue not after you buy the item, I didn't mention SOGA because I was talking specifically about the EU legislation. Here si some quick C&P's to reinforce the points I made:
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Uber, sorry but your confused.
The E.U directive does not supercede SOGA or the amended additions.
I recommend http://www.secola.org/db/2_12/gb_noteslong.pdf
See specificaly page 12.
There is also the flow chart to show how SOGA works. But to enforce SOGA you would need to go through a county court if the retailer is not helpful.
There is tons of articals about the 2year E.U directive problems in UK law, just google it - its not adopted.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1677034/Two-year-warranty-EU-law.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/feb/05/how-long-electrical-goods-guaranteed
The E.U directive does not supercede SOGA or the amended additions.
I recommend http://www.secola.org/db/2_12/gb_noteslong.pdf
See specificaly page 12.
There is also the flow chart to show how SOGA works. But to enforce SOGA you would need to go through a county court if the retailer is not helpful.
There is tons of articals about the 2year E.U directive problems in UK law, just google it - its not adopted.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1677034/Two-year-warranty-EU-law.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/feb/05/how-long-electrical-goods-guaranteed
I never said it superseded it, basically the way it works is, where the EU directive and SOGA give differing information on how long a warranty/liability lasts, the longest one applies. The basics of it are that SOGA can offer times greater than the EU directive as an extended country specific legislation however it cannot reduce any times specified in the EU directive (as Hungary discovered when its equivalent of SOGA clashed with the EU directive).
For reference here's the actual thing itself http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/cons_int/safe_shop/guarantees/CSD_2007_EN_final.pdf
And the specific section:
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