Back in the game - spec required please - Budget around 1-1.5K

shadowsnypa1 · 22 Jun 2023 at 17:07

hi all
its that time again when ive got the bug for an upgrade, looking at value for money for a PC system without a monitor, as I quite like the Samsung G9 unless someone has a better suggestion for quality vs cost.

Looking to build a PC with i7 13700 and 3080ti (unless i can get more VFM from other options) , PC will be used for some gaming including starfield when released as well as destiny and some other civilisation / strategy type games.

I have a decent be quiet 850 W modular power supply that I can use, unless its not powerful enough then will need spec for another PSU. as I've been out of the game for some time, i am here to ask about the MOBO, ram, cooling for the CPU and any decent case suggestions?

is there anything else I would need ? thank you in advance for any comments

Quartz · 22 Jun 2023 at 17:46

shadowsnypa1 said:
Looking to build a PC with i7 13700 and 3080ti (unless i can get more VFM from other options)

Hardware Unboxed just did a video showing that the 7800X3D gives better performance than the 13700.

Tetras · 22 Jun 2023 at 17:58

shadowsnypa1 said:
3080ti

Do you already have this? If not, how much are you planning to pay?

shadowsnypa1 said:
as I quite like the Samsung G9 unless someone has a better suggestion for quality vs cost.

What resolution/refresh is this monitor? Does it care about freesync/gsync?

Quartz · 22 Jun 2023 at 18:01

shadowsnypa1 said:
and 3080ti

If you're going for a second-hand 30 series then look for a 3090 or 3090 Ti for the added VRAM.

shadowsnypa1 · 22 Jun 2023 at 18:13

Quartz said:
Hardware Unboxed just did a video showing that the 7800X3D gives better performance than the 13700.

thank you i will have a look

shadowsnypa1 · 22 Jun 2023 at 18:16

Tetras said:
Do you already have this? If not, how much are you planning to pay?

thanks, no i dont, depends is there a great amopunt of difference between different 3080s?

What resolution/refresh is this monitor? Does it care about freesync/gsync?

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monitors has freesync and 1440

shadowsnypa1 · 22 Jun 2023 at 18:27

Quartz said:
If you're going for a second-hand 30 series then look for a 3090 or 3090 Ti for the added VRAM.

hi thanks for that, whats the advantage of the extra V ram plz?

Tetras · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:17

shadowsnypa1 said:
monitors has freesync and 1440

With a 13700:

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i7-13700F (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6BD-IN) = £359.99
1 x Gigabyte B760 DS3H DDR4 (LGA 1700) DDR4 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BX-GI) = £144.98
1 x Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C18 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMK32GX4M2D3600C18) (SKU: MY-4D1-CS) = £79.99
1 x WD Black SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E) (SKU: HD-58G-WD) = £104.99
1 x MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Gaming X TRIO 12GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-395-MS) = £679.99
1 x Phanteks Eclipse G300A Mid-Tower High Airflow PC Case - Black (SKU: CA-0C0-PT) = £65.00

Total: £1,446.92 (includes delivery: £11.98)

and this cooler (under £50).

Graphics card chosen from this roundup.

With that resolution, I'd suggest that you downgrade the CPU and get a better graphics card, e.g.

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i5-12600K 3.70GHz (Alder Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-69X-IN) = £239.99
1 x Gigabyte B660 DS3H AX - Intel B660 DDR4 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5AN-GI) = £124.99
1 x Lexar Hades 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C18 3600MHz Dual/Quad Channel Kit (SKU: MY-018-LE) = £79.99
1 x WD Black SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E) (SKU: HD-58G-WD) = £104.99
1 x Asus GeForce RTX 4070Ti TUF Gaming 12GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-48X-AS) = £859.99
1 x Phanteks Eclipse G300A Mid-Tower High Airflow PC Case - Black (SKU: CA-0C0-PT) = £64.99

Total: £1,486.93 (includes delivery: £11.98)

shadowsnypa1 · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:24

Tetras said:
With a 13700:

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i7-13700F (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6BD-IN) = £359.99

1 x Gigabyte B760 DS3H DDR4 (LGA 1700) DDR4 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BX-GI) = £144.98

1 x Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C18 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMK32GX4M2D3600C18) (SKU: MY-4D1-CS) = £79.99

1 x WD Black SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E) (SKU: HD-58G-WD) = £104.99

1 x MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Gaming X TRIO 12GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-395-MS) = £679.99

1 x Phanteks Eclipse G300A Mid-Tower High Airflow PC Case - Black (SKU: CA-0C0-PT) = £65.00

Total: £1,446.92 (includes delivery: £11.98)

and this cooler (under £50).

Graphics card chosen from this roundup.

With that resolution, I'd suggest that you downgrade the CPU and get a better graphics card, e.g.

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i5-12600K 3.70GHz (Alder Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-69X-IN) = £239.99

1 x Gigabyte B660 DS3H AX - Intel B660 DDR4 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5AN-GI) = £124.99

1 x Lexar Hades 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C18 3600MHz Dual/Quad Channel Kit (SKU: MY-018-LE) = £79.99

1 x WD Black SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E) (SKU: HD-58G-WD) = £104.99

1 x Asus GeForce RTX 4070Ti TUF Gaming 12GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-48X-AS) = £859.99

1 x Phanteks Eclipse G300A Mid-Tower High Airflow PC Case - Black (SKU: CA-0C0-PT) = £64.99

Total: £1,486.93 (includes delivery: £11.98)

interesting with the lower CPU, never considered but makes sense...... will the CPU be ok with the GFX in regards to bottle necking? thanks again

Tetras · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:36

shadowsnypa1 said:
will the CPU be ok with the GFX in regards to bottle necking? thanks again

It'll bottleneck, yeah, but that resolution is closer to 4K than 1440p (7,372,800 pixels, 4K is 8,294,400), so I'd rather have a more powerful graphics card than a stronger CPU.

shadowsnypa1 · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:42

Tetras said:
It'll bottleneck, yeah, but that resolution is closer to 4K than 1440p (7,372,800 pixels, 4K is 8,294,400), so I'd rather have a more powerful graphics card than a stronger CPU.

understood thanks for that, so if i nudge the budget a bit and get the i7 (more cores) that should ease the bottleneck a bit?

Tetras · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:53

shadowsnypa1 said:
understood thanks for that, so if i nudge the budget a bit and get the i7 (more cores) that should ease the bottleneck a bit?

It depends on the game really, if you look at the benchmarks on TPU, the difference at 4K can be pretty small, even with a 4090, but it is true that raptor lake cores (13600K and up) are a sizeable chunk faster than 12th gen cores.

shadowsnypa1 · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:56

last bit, if i was to buy a new PSU what wattage min would I need? thanks

Tetras · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:58

shadowsnypa1 said:
last bit, if i was to buy a new PSU what wattage min would I need? thanks

What you already have should be fine for a 4070 or 4070 Ti (though the latter may need an adapter for the 12/16 pin, like this one, if compatible and the card doesn't include it).

shadowsnypa1 · 22 Jun 2023 at 19:59

Tetras said:
What you already have should be fine for a 4070 or 4070 Ti (though the latter may need an adapter for the 12/16 pin).

agreed, but its only because my mind is playing tricks on me while at work, so im now 50/50 regarding the PSU whether its 850 or 650W hence the Question. thanks again

Tetras · 22 Jun 2023 at 20:03

shadowsnypa1 said:
agreed, but its only because my mind is playing tricks on me while at work, so im now 50/50 regarding the PSU whether its 850 or 650W hence the Question. thanks again

650 would most likely be fine for a 4070, 4070 Ti I don't know (nvidia say 700, here), but if your PSU is a decent model then it is worth a shot.

Quartz · 22 Jun 2023 at 23:15

shadowsnypa1 said:
hi thanks for that, whats the advantage of the extra V ram plz?

Extra memory for textures and RT. Streaming also seems to use VRAM. I saw one Twitch streamer stream Jedi Survivor and it kept falling over at 1440p on a 3080 Ti until he added a second GPU purely for streaming. That's half the 5120x1440 you intend using. 12 GB no longer cuts it for higher resolutions; modern games are VRAM hogs. 16 GB should be the minimum for higher-end GPUs.

shadowsnypa1 · 25 Jun 2023 at 18:43

thank you for all your help, so Vram basically is the GFX dedicated onboard memory..... now that makes sense why Vram is so important!