Ok, I got a new Maximus Extreme motherboard and when I connected the power supply to it, 24 pin and 8 pin EPS all the fans connected spun up for a split second then stopped, but all the rgb stuff carried on, I even flashed the bios to the latest one, I tried again same thing, on doing the paperclip test (shorting green and black wires pins 4 and 5 psu seems dead) but what baffles me is why does the rgb work, I know I have to get a new psu now but I just wondered if you gentlemen or ladies with more knowledge than a old pensioner might know why this happens i.e rgb works when the power supply seems buggered, thanks in advance to anyone who might know why.