Ballmer's off...

They're grasping at straws really to stay relevant and convince people they need it or playing catch up. Bill didn't always get it right either, if you'd of believed Media Center launch we'd all have HTPC's in the living room now. I think they need someone younger with some nerve to be revolutionary rather than design by committee.
 
Unfortunately it's very difficult for an established business to do anything revolutionary, just look at Google now with Android/device iteration number 203 and Apple with iOS7, it's variations on a theme because once you have a large market share shareholders wont let you do something that could break the company or existing sales over night.

MS had Windows XP tablet edition 10 years ago which despite the hardware of the time worked well and included some stuff like accurate handwriting recognition most tablets still don't do. the problem was the hardware wasn't ready and it never took off. MS mistake was to then let it die and took their eye off the ball having written tablets off as "tried that, no one wants one". They did the same with smartphones, Windows mobile and the early XDA/SPVs etc were awesome at the time as a proper open OS in much the way Android is now. MS just never thought anyone would want (what for the time was) a huge phone that cost £500. Apple had almost nothing to lose at that time, gambled on the iPhone and won big against the general wisdom of the time. They could just as easily failed spectacularly and if it had it could have taken Apple down.

We're unlikely to see true innovation from MS, Apple, Google, Facebook, Samsung etc now, they have too much to risk. Most of these companies will look for someone new/small to come up with a revolution and then either buy them or produce something similar, just on a commercial/industrial scale.
 
Reading Glaucus's posts just gives me a headache. Is it that hard to read them back to yourself before hitting post? Some of the words don't even exist!
 
Hatter The Mad said:
It means... if you know the market has got it wrong and you have so much faith in the short-medium term of Ballmer's changes and Microsoft's work, make an investment and make yourself very rich?
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If I could afford it I would, but at $35 a share you would need to put several thousand in to make it worth while.

Just like the student whoo put his live savings in to tesla despite the market. And stands to make a killing when his options are up.
 
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Glaucus said:
If I could afford it I would, but at $35 a share you would need to put several thousand in to make it worth while.
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Well, how much do you think the market is undervaluing Microsoft? Either it is not much and therefore Ballmer has contributed very little to the value of Microsoft, or it is a great deal and you stand to easily gain money on even an investment of a few hundred or a thousand pounds.

(Or alternatively, you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to that company ;)).
 
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Well, how much do you think the market is undervaluing Microsoft? Either it is not much and therefore Ballmer has contributed very little to the value of Microsoft, or it is a great deal and you stand to easily gain money on even an investment of a few hundred or a thousand pounds.

(Or alternatively, you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to that company ;)).
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Investors and board expect short term massive climb that won't happen. Analysts and I think they are in a good place in the longer term say next 4 years. You just don't brake into the market over night. It takes time and money.
New is not doing as expected is no surprise, for a start the expectations where unrealistic namely it would rejuvenate the desktop market, that was never going to happen and that will continue to decline. It's not the first time either looks t do, best seller, apart from when it was launched, it was universally hated. See a theme here.

Just because they are big corporations doesn't mean they don't get it wrong. Look at ms and all the OEMs not seeing the future, same with the market. They is nothing invincible about these players.
The fact they all though desktop sales would increase was laughable.
 
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Does make you chuckle doesn't it.

"So Mr Ballmer, multi billionaire, senior exec and long term CEO of the worlds largest, most successful software company in the history of technology, how do you feel about taking stick from random internet geek in their bedroom at their mums house on a forum about what you've done right and wrong and their advice on how you should have done things in their opinion? ;) :) :D
 
The irony really is that much of what was required was staring them in the face and has been for years. They didn't innovate because they enjoyed a monopoly where they've never really been challenged on the desktop in the mass market. It was easier to create a makeover rather than a rethink or anything radical. The irony being that if they had followed a road of greater coding efficiency they could have made more of the functionality that already existed to allow users to choose which features they wanted installed. They could have then built a much better one size fits all but one which recognised the install client type and defaulted to installing one set of modules for desktop and a lighter and more mobile centric set for mobile and tablets. The mechanism was already there, as things such IIS server were not installed as standard. It's no good trying shoe horn in the whole OS to a mobile device, instead they should have shared a common core.
 
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They could have then built a much better one size fits all but one which recognised the install client type and defaulted to installing one set of modules for desktop and a lighter and more mobile centric set for mobile and tablets. The mechanism was already there, as things such IIS server were not installed as standard. It's no good trying shoe horn in the whole OS to a mobile device, instead they should have shared a common core.
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They had very hubristic reasons not to do that. MD wanted one unified front end to try and leverage their desktop monopoly into a tablet and smartphone advantage. By forcing a tablet UI onto the desktop, they thought people would then want the same on phone and tablet, and buy Windows phones and tablets out of familiarity of the desktop version.

MS also wanted Metro to duplicate the control and getting a slice of the profits that Apple has enjoyed with their app store. Instead of coming up with something new, they copied others to try try and get a slice of the market others have already pioneered.

It just goes to show the severe misunderstanding of their customer base that MS thought they could get away with this nonsense which benefits themselves far more than it benefits the customers.
 
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Glaucus said:
Investors and board expect short term massive climb that won't happen. Analysts and I think they are in a good place in the longer term say next 4 years. You just don't brake into the market over night. It takes time and money.
New is not doing as expected is no surprise, for a start the expectations where unrealistic namely it would rejuvenate the desktop market, that was never going to happen and that will continue to decline. It's not the first time either looks t do, best seller, apart from when it was launched, it was universally hated. See a theme here.

Just because they are big corporations doesn't mean they don't get it wrong. Look at ms and all the OEMs not seeing the future, same with the market. They is nothing invincible about these players.
The fact they all though desktop sales would increase was laughable.
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Money ----> Mouth is

http://www.halifax.co.uk/sharedealing/our-accounts/cfds/

:)
 
Or not. It still cost loads, still looking at least £250 (not on halifax) which I can't afford ATM. Certainly not to prove a point. You know what the share price is now as we'll as the market shares and turnover etc, lets see what it is in October 2017 5 years after the launch.

And Halifax, yeah right £8.94 a day charge, yeah CFDs are relay cheap for long term investment. Perhaps you don't actually have a clue and recommending something that would cost more than any profit it made even if it quadrupled the daily charge would cost more.:rolleyes:
 
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They had very hubristic reasons not to do that. MD wanted one unified front end to try and leverage their desktop monopoly into a tablet and smartphone advantage. By forcing a tablet UI onto the desktop, they thought people would then want the same on phone and tablet, and buy Windows phones and tablets out of familiarity of the desktop version.
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That has backfired though, most people are so disgusted by Windows 8 on desktop that even if they did buy a phone/tablet they would likely avoid anything with Windows 8 on it (even if Metro does work well there).

Steampunk said:
It just goes to show the severe misunderstanding of their customer base that MS thought they could get away with this nonsense which benefits themselves far more than it benefits the customers.
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This sums up how Microsoft have been operating in recent years, instead of making products which customers either need or want they're making products which suit their business plan and then trying to sell it to us. Xbox One and all of its 180's was probably the last straw.
 
Glaucus said:
Apogee all android lead over all platforms, so yes they have lost the lead. I'm not talking just mobile. All platforms combined, severs, desktops, laptops, tablets, smartphones etc. over all platforms android now rules the numbers. They have more os than MS does.
Over the last decade they've gone from over 90% to under 40% it might even be 30% can't remeber exact figures with android overtaking them late last year iirc.

So no I understand perfectly fine, just priced a poor word (and I didnt say desktop os)
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You think that android rules in all platforms, including Server and Desktop (which includes laptops)?

:/

If you take smartphones and tablets out of the equation Android isn't even in the race!
 
Gilly said:
You think that android rules in Server and Desktop (which includes laptops) space?

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Nope, where did I say that.
They rule on traditional pc platforms (although apples eaten massively into ultra books market) I'm talking about an almgantion of all platforms. MS control the shrinking platform. Google/android control the expanding platforms. overall android is the king right now.

Why on earth would you take them out though. They are pcs, they are the massively expanding platforms and soon tablets will even account for more sales than desktops/laptops/etc(prediction is q4 2013), let alone tablets and smartphones combined. To remove it is absurd and dooming any such company with the same thoughts to failure. MS know this, it is why they are trying to break into the market, it is absolutely essential to break into the market.
 
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