Bans for Diving Backed by FIFA

About time really, is crazy what footballers get away with sometimes.

As long as we don't get bogged down with constant appeals and such.
 
Didn't anybody learn anything from the Eduardo situation? By all means, if it's going to be done consistently, to any player for every team then fair enough.

However it still has a few potential problems (going to treat just diving, as part of the whole bigger problem of simulation):

For a start fans themselves up and down the country disagree about who simulated and when. There are some players who are good enough they can do it in a sly way such that it's difficult to decide whether he would warrant a punishment or not.

If it happens in an important match, what incentive is there not to dive? Say the title is effectively decidable between 2 sides 2 games from the end of the season. One side has a very easy remaining pair of games, and so to win the title decider, he cheats, gets caught and is suspended. But by doing this he effectively wins the league or at the very least hands his team a massive advantage. What incentive is there to stop him simulating?

Or say a player towards the end of a cup final? That is if caught, he merely misses a few first round ties next year.

Bottom line is, the only people who can stop cheating are the players themselves and the fans. However neither if you really think about it, want to. Ok this is an international example, but the closest I can think of: Suarez cheating against Ghana. In that position, at that time, in that competition ANY player would do it again. It's also worth a bet while as neutrals we chastised him, you can definitely assume that all the Uruguayan fans didn't batter an eyelid. We'd deffo want an England player to do the same should it be required.
 
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How do you actually prove that someone has dived... unless you're going to use video evidence. What if a dive is missed by the ref during a game, the diver gets a penalty and his team win the match. Are FIFA going to nulify the result?

If diving is going to be punished, what about all the shirt-pulling and wrestling that defenders get away with in the penalty area - in my opinion this is as bad as diving!
 
If they actually do something about it, good. I watched the Scotland match tonight and we were worse than Lithuania. The whole "foreigners are worse" myth is just that.
 
Diving happens a couple times in most games, and sometimes you really can't tell a dive from forced contact and taking advantage, likewise sometimes players genuinely "dive" to get out of the way of one or more players smashing them to pieces, should that also get a ban?

Now consider that EVERY SINGLE corner, every single freekick, almost every attack has shirts pulled, players throwing each other to the floor in the box, and just basically a crap load of cheating.......... going after diving is yet another attempt to ignore the bulk of the cheating and scapegoat a few people after they will without question make a huge screw up and ban someone they shouldn't.

Yellow card for every single instance of shirt pulling, going on at corners until players just don't risk it anymore. Because things like that are consistantly ignored right infront of the ref, players do it because it will be once in a blue moon they get a yellow/red card for it and give away a penalty, one penalty or one loss versus the advantage by cheating in every other game they ever play is a very small price to pay.

Corners and set pieces have become boring, most people just shoot these days as the amount of cheating going on inside the box means people just don't get anywhere.

Its far more prevelant, and effects games much much more than a couple dives here and there.

They should go after ALL cheating, not just pick one to "crack down on" which as we all know means the first month of the league a few people being sent off, then it being completely ignored once all the fuss has died down again.
 
Greenlizard0 said:
Didn't anybody learn anything from the Eduardo situation? By all means, if it's going to be done consistently, to any player for every team then fair enough.

However it still has a few potential problems (going to treat just diving, as part of the whole bigger problem of simulation):

For a start fans themselves up and down the country disagree about who simulated and when. There are some players who are good enough they can do it in a sly way such that it's difficult to decide whether he would warrant a punishment or not.

If it happens in an important match, what incentive is there not to dive? Say the title is effectively decidable between 2 sides 2 games from the end of the season. One side has a very easy remaining pair of games, and so to win the title decider, he cheats, gets caught and is suspended. But by doing this he effectively wins the league or at the very least hands his team a massive advantage. What incentive is there to stop him simulating?

Or say a player towards the end of a cup final? That is if caught, he merely misses a few first round ties next year.

Bottom line is, the only people who can stop cheating are the players themselves and the fans. However neither if you really think about it, want to. Ok this is an international example, but the closest I can think of: Suarez cheating against Ghana. In that position, at that time, in that competition ANY player would do it again. It's also worth a bet while as neutrals we chastised him, you can definitely assume that all the Uruguayan fans didn't batter an eyelid. We'd deffo want an England player to do the same should it be required.
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spot on

if it was the champions league final most players would probably dive to win it and then face a mere 2 week ban, but the player gets a champions league medal, a huge bonus, etc.

the only way to deter it would be to have the decision overturned, if a player cheats in order to try and win the game, the team is given a loss. this is the only way to stamp out cheating, although it is harsh, its the only way i can see to stop it.
 
This may be the end of Barca's dominance, they go down easily about 20-30 times per game. It's part of the game imo, and I think that referees not giving fouls unless a player falls over is just as big a problem as diving. You see it so regularly, a player gets hacked and then tries his best to stay on his feet and gets no foul, then he usually loses the ball. It encourages diving, or, going down easily more than anything else. Refs are already incompetent, giving them even more responsibility is only going to end awfully.
 
Barca didn't dive(much) before Guardiola, they weren't known for it, but then they also added more players and had youth players come through who have taken to it like a duck to water.

Alves, Pedro, Messi(ish, not terrible but goes down looking for stuff a lot), Iniesta are abysmal divers, Messi isn't particularly bad but I think he's getting worse in the past couple seasons, Iniesta has gone from being quite fair to a flat out cheat, he shouldn't have been allowed in the final with all the cheating he did throughout the tourney, no justice in the world especially as there were some other utterly awful decisions the wrong way. Muller couldn't play in the final because Messi handballed? Someone got sent off against Spain for the Spain guy diving.

Thing is Alves was a filthy cheat his entire career, and Pedro didn't play before Guardiola, but there seems to be a massive change in lots of teams under new managers. Sven took over England and Beckham, Gerrard, Owen all turned into the worst divers in the league almost overnight, Chelsea under Mourinho, Drogba since Mourinho has left has every season improved from his worst quite dramatically. Last season they got a manager who obviously told him to pack it in, the difference was massive, and this year again he's going down even less.

The most important thing is, because he's not looking to constantly go down, he gets the ball and runs at goal, and look at his form. Teams and players play better when their first and only thought is ball in the net, when they look to cheat, they aren't trying to play football anymore. Drogba is the most improved player in the past couple years largely because he's cut out 80% of his cheating.

I still say cheating as a whole is has far more impact on football that just diving, which overall has a very small impact. They all need dealing with, which is with better refereeing, this stupid focusing on one thing at the beginning of every year, and giving up after a couple months just lets players get away with other things.
 
About time English teams are always cheated in the Champions league through other teams/players diving.

English teams/players are not brought up with this mentality when playing European football,im sick of the likes of Barca,Madrid and most of the Serie A who blatantly cheat the ref into wining games sometimes.

Will be interesting to see if Fifa do keep to their word and i can see English teams in the Champions league benefiting from this.
 
kmufc77 said:
About time English teams are always cheated in the Champions league through other teams/players diving.

English teams/players are not brought up with this mentality when playing European football,im sick of the likes of Barca,Madrid and most of the Serie A who blatantly cheat the ref into wining games sometimes.

Will be interesting to see if Fifa do keep to their word and i can see English teams in the Champions league benefiting from this.
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Half of the English national team have a penchant for diving. It never used to be like this. English football used to one of the last bastions of good, honest football, but not anymore. Scottish football is as bad too. Fifa have let this go for so long that it's now the done thing for the new generation of footballers, regardless of where they are from.
 
kmufc77 said:
About time English teams are always cheated in the Champions league through other teams/players diving.

English teams/players are not brought up with this mentality when playing European football,im sick of the likes of Barca,Madrid and most of the Serie A who blatantly cheat the ref into wining games sometimes.

Will be interesting to see if Fifa do keep to their word and i can see English teams in the Champions league benefiting from this.
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While they did it far more than we did and seemingly brought it over with them, English players and our leagues are just as guilty now.
 
kmufc77 said:
About time English teams are always cheated in the Champions league through other teams/players diving.

English teams/players are not brought up with this mentality when playing European football,im sick of the likes of Barca,Madrid and most of the Serie A who blatantly cheat the ref into wining games sometimes.

Will be interesting to see if Fifa do keep to their word and i can see English teams in the Champions league benefiting from this.
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a scottish team was cheated by an english team quite recently. so its not exactly everybody apart from the english that are doing it in the champions league.

im referring to eduardo and arsenal.
 
haha bitter, I guess the other 5 goals and the fact that Celtic didn't have a shot on target really made it hard to take, so close!
 
lol @ the bitter Celtic fans and Eduardo's dive which was actually proven by a panel of experts that contact was made and that it wasn't a dive at all... Either way we were still winning, heavily on aggregate, and take the penalty away and we'd still have won by a fair margin.

Anyway, I think that if a referee interprets a player as diving then he should get sin binned for 10 minutes along with a yellow card, that will make him think twice about doing it, not only does he get punished with a card and has to play it safe for the rest of the game, but he's also letting the rest of his team suffer a disadvantage as a direct result of his actions.
 
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