BBC license fee proposals...

In this example, the bread is equivalent to your television content/programming (which the licence pays for) and you have to pay for that. ;)

Nah if you want that analogy then it is more like you only want to toast crumpets but the govt makes you buy some bread each year that you don't use so as to subsidise unpopular types of bread.
 
More than happy to pay for the licence fee. It's a lot cheaper than Sky and offers far better quality with no adverts.

Don't like it, don't watch it. Simple. Although there will always be a few gippo's who want something for nothing and cheat the system.
 
Well it doesn't seem to be very clear what is defined as TV

If I open up Facebook and the newsfeed now shows live streams as I scroll past do they count as a TV broadcast? What about a webcam or Skype or the gamers who stream their game play to thousands?
Seems like a grey area, what is the distinction between that and live 'TV' delivered over the internet?
Any live stream broadcasting a TV channel requires a licence.

Jay
 
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Don't like it, don't watch it. Simple.

I don't think you're getting the argument.

People aren't watching it, and not caring for it, but have to pay £12 a month anyway.

And before the whole "It's only £12 a month" argument starts up, that's essential a SIM only phone contract that you could be giving yourself or your kids. It's not something a lot a people would want to essentially stick down the drain to avoid adverts on something they don't care about.
 
Any live stream broadcasting a TV channel requires a licence.

Not true, this is limited to BBC content only.

If am wrong, how is this justified? The license fee goes straight to the BBC and is not shared between other broadcasters.
 
It's far from simple. I don't like it and I don't watch it, but they still want me to pay for it.

This is the fundamental argument of everyone who disagress with the licence.

Jay

What don't you watch? If you don't watch any live TV then you don't have to pay. Or are you saying you only watch live ITV/C4 etc (I'd find that very hard to believe when most quality programs are on BBC). Under the new rules if you watch Iplayer you'll need a license, but if you never watch BBC anyway what's the problem?
 
Because unlike the license fee, I am legally obligated to have car insurance.

You're legally obligated to have a licence if you watch live TV, just are you're obligated to tax your car if you drive it.

The fact the resulting money goes to places you think it shouldn't isn't really relevant.
 
Not true, this is limited to BBC content only.

If am wrong, how is this justified? The license fee goes straight to the BBC and is not shared between other broadcasters.

No, its any live tv broadcast you can pick up in the UK, otherwise you would be able to watch ITV and Channel 4 / 5 without a licence and you cant.

the problem is that the people that admin the licence fee like to tell you you need a licence to own a tv and the courts will assume if you have a tv you will use it to watch live broadcasts, most will but not all.

its a complex issue, really its a tax and should be levied as one and not as something you can opt out of, as you cant if you want to watch any form of live TV, and I would think at some point any broadcast.
 
Really don't understand people who watch TV and listen to radio, saying that £145 for licence to do so is somehow unfair. It matters not if you watch or listen to the BBC. The point is, that everyone pays and most people (who do watch and listen to the BBC) benefit.

Comparing it to Netflix or Amazon or ****** toasters is a waste of everyone's time. If you don't like watching it, don't watch it, but don't moan about paying for it, because that's the deal, it's for everyone.

It's like bad people who don't like splitting the bill.
 
Yes we're aware of that, my question was what counts as TV?

" What counts as ‘Live TV’ and when do I need a licence to watch TV?

Live TV means any programme you watch or record at the same time as it’s being shown on TV or live on an online TV service."
 
People aren't watching it, and not caring for it, but have to pay £12 a month anyway.

And before the whole "It's only £12 a month" argument starts up, that's essential a SIM only phone contract that you could be giving yourself or your kids. It's not something a lot a people would want to essentially stick down the drain to avoid adverts on something they don't care about.

How many of those complaining are spending £50+ a month on Sky?
 
What don't you watch? If you don't watch any live TV then you don't have to pay. Or are you saying you only watch live ITV/C4 etc (I'd find that very hard to believe when most quality programs are on BBC). Under the new rules if you watch Iplayer you'll need a license, but if you never watch BBC anyway what's the problem?

The point is that some people don't like the idea of paying the BBC a fee when they don't watch anything produced by the BBC. For instance, I rarely watch the BBC (mostly Sky channels and BT) but I still have to fork out for a TV Licence.
 
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