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AcidHell2 said:
If everyones pay went up with inflation, you would be right. But as they dont. You are far from right.

you cant think just about pay, there are many many factors - HD, digital switchover, content on demand, the soaring cost of sporting events. All this needs to be covered, on top of wage rises.
 
Chrisp7 said:
you cant think just about pay, there are many many factors - HD, digital switchover, content on demand, the soaring cost of sporting events. All this needs to be covered, on top of wage rises.
What?

You said the actual cost of the tv license is going down and stated that someone either doesn't know economics. Well the cost isn't going down, unless every single person in the uk gets a pay rise in line or exceeding inflations, this certainly doesn't happen.
 
AcidHell2 said:
What?

You said the actual cost of the tv license is going down and stated that someone either doesn't know economics. Well the cost isn't going down, unless every single person in the uk gets a pay rise in line or exceeding inflations, this certainly doesn't happen.

No, I said the funding of the BBC license, is going down in real terms, absolutely nothing to do with wages.

PS and my last comment I though you were talking about the BBC workers wages.
 
Chrisp7 said:
Just because it doesnt comply with your needs doesnt mean that they arent demanded by others.

If you want an on demand service for your TV you will either need, a highspeed cable/DSL connection to your TV (which the BBC doesnt have anything to do with). Hence on demand internet - incidentally if you hooked up your TV with a computer you could watch downloadable content on your 36" TV.

HD is the future, HD is better picture, HD is where the developed world is going, if you want to be left behind, then lets not develop/move on. ANd yes its as much of a development as VHS-DVD. And you needed to buy a new DVD player to watch DVD's didnt you!? Also think about Japan they are already discussing VHD, with even better vid quality, we are already waay behind.

So because it doesnt go with my needs, I should fund it for everyone else that does then? Maybe I should start saving my pennies to put food on the tables of those that cant be bothered to get off their backsides and work too...oh wait... LOL

I am well aware that I could connect my PC to my telly, and then watch whatever I downloaded (and paid for a second time via bandwidth charges ;) ) but without buying a spankin HD telly you wouldnt be getting anything other than a pretty horrible picture via a composite or at best svideo connection. Then theres the bit that it just doesnt work like a household appliance the same a Sky digi box does. I have tried HTPC a couple of years back for the purpose of putting my DVD collection to hard disk, it just wasnt a very seamless experience. Turn it to this channel, plug this lead in to the Svideo connection, press this button etc etc every time you want to use it. True with a HD LCD it would be pretty good I imagine.
So HD is basically bringing an enhanced picture quality? Not really the leap of VHS-DVD though is it? Extra content features, 5.1 sound, a sizeable an noticable difference in picture quality, no more rewinding :D , chaptered playback, instant pause, smaller packaging and hence reduced distribution costs, doesnt degrade like tape.
In order to get into HD then I require the following:
An LCD or Plasma screen (though there are some CRT based sets in the UK, not many though and even less that are worth buying as I understand it).
A new Sky box plus extra £10 a month subscription
A HD DVD player (plus associated HDMI/Component cables).

DVD cost me a DVD player and an RGB scart lead ;) Plus I didnt have to pay the BBC any extra money to get it either LOL

Dont get me wrong I see the point in progress, I am up to the hilt with technology in my house, but lets not make out that HD is some be all and end all. You have already said in your closing paragraph thats its already out of date so why are we even bothering with this generation of it?
 
Bobbler said:
So because it doesnt go with my needs, I should fund it for everyone else that does then? Maybe I should start saving my pennies to put food on the tables of those that cant be bothered to get off their backsides and work too...oh wait... LOL?

Errm..yep. Its called a civilized society.:p

Bobbler said:
I am well aware that I could connect my PC to my telly, and then watch whatever I downloaded (and paid for a second time via bandwidth charges ;) ) but without buying a spankin HD telly you wouldnt be getting anything other than a pretty horrible picture via a composite or at best svideo connection. Then theres the bit that it just doesnt work like a household appliance the same a Sky digi box does. I have tried HTPC a couple of years back for the purpose of putting my DVD collection to hard disk, it just wasnt a very seamless experience. Turn it to this channel, plug this lead in to the Svideo connection, press this button etc etc every time you want to use it. True with a HD LCD it would be pretty good I imagine.
So HD is basically bringing an enhanced picture quality? Not really the leap of VHS-DVD though is it? Extra content features, 5.1 sound, a sizeable an noticable difference in picture quality, no more rewinding :D , chaptered playback, instant pause, smaller packaging and hence reduced distribution costs, doesnt degrade like tape.
In order to get into HD then I require the following:
An LCD or Plasma screen (though there are some CRT based sets in the UK, not many though and even less that are worth buying as I understand it).
A new Sky box plus extra £10 a month subscription
A HD DVD player (plus associated HDMI/Component cables).

DVD cost me a DVD player and an RGB scart lead ;) Plus I didnt have to pay the BBC any extra money to get it either LOL

Dont get me wrong I see the point in progress, I am up to the hilt with technology in my house, but lets not make out that HD is some be all and end all. You have already said in your closing paragraph thats its already out of date so why are we even bothering with this generation of it?

VHD is still a while off, and will cost an absolute bomb, so lets not get into that yet!

Well part of the BBC funding;) Is to start broadcasting in HD, so you wouldnt need a skybox, just a new TV, and its up to you wether or not you need to by a new HD DVD player, you can still use your existing one, whilst enjoying the HD TV content. At any rate, you dont have to go HD, bt I think its a good thing for the country to go HD, and I am sure itv and other will go HD of their own accord, people will only compalin if the BBC isnt in HD too. Its not the BBC's fault!
 
Chrisp7 said:
Errm..yep. Its called a civilized society.:p



VHD is still a while off, and will cost an absolute bomb, so lets not get into that yet!

Well part of the BBC funding;) Is to start broadcasting in HD, so you wouldnt need a skybox, just a new TV, and its up to you wether or not you need to by a new HD DVD player, you can still use your existing one, whilst enjoying the HD TV content. At any rate, you dont have to go HD, bt I think its a good thing for the country to go HD, and I am sure itv and other will go HD of their own accord, people will only compalin if the BBC isnt in HD too. Its not the BBC's fault!

Thanks for the info so far Chrisp, so nice to have a discussion/debate without it being an argument :)

So the broadcasting in HD is coming via the existing RF transmitters/aerial feed we already have? (but dont actually have connected up at the moment due to Sky digibox doing all our channels).
Do you have anything on the HD setup box or telly that has this functionality at all? I was under the impression that HD is not available on Freeview style boxes, only Sky HD and cable?
 
HD is not currently available via the normal transmitters due to bandwidth issues, and the equipment still being tested (the Crystal Palace transmitter was being used to trial it for the BBC).

Once analogue TV is turned off there will be a huge amount of bandwidth freed up*, digital transmissions can be turned up to the same strength as analogue is at the moment (currently it's lower powered to prevent interference with other regions analogue reception).
The result will be that the bandwidth will become available for terrestrial HD broadcasts - you will almost certainly need a new digital receiver though as current digi boxes won't deal with HD.


It's worth noting that apparently the BBC are expected by the government to assist in moving everyone to digital when the time comes, something that is going to cost a fortune for the BBC as it will most likely require a lot of engineers to be sent out to setup digital boxes (and probably upgrade the arials) of OAP's etc.



*I think the figures are for every analogue channel you can get 6-12 good quality digital channel + multiple audio transmissions (or about 20 lower quality channels:p), or a couple of HD digital channels.
 
Bobbler said:
Thanks for the info so far Chrisp, so nice to have a discussion/debate without it being an argument :)

So the broadcasting in HD is coming via the existing RF transmitters/aerial feed we already have? (but dont actually have connected up at the moment due to Sky digibox doing all our channels).
Do you have anything on the HD setup box or telly that has this functionality at all? I was under the impression that HD is not available on Freeview style boxes, only Sky HD and cable?

the BBC have been using our license fees to trial HD over freeview in limited london areas

it is possible and the BBC will do it, once analogue is switched off to free up the airspace

you made a point earlier about having content on the internet being pointless, and it should be available on demand.

Who exactly would fund this on demand service ? the BBC are already over stretched enough as it is, without then investing in a service to make it freely available. Once there becomes a clear model for it, i'm sure they will. But for now its not economically viable to provide the hardware. they will have to wait for the likes of BT's service to take off, and the do a deal to provide the content on there.

Whoever does sign up for BBC on demand will have a major tallisman

oh and btw the TV programming on the internet does have a use, for when you miss it. Unless you've recorded it, its gone for good untill its repeated on UK Gold, in the case of programmes like working lunch, it will never be repeated again. So for stuff you've missed, its a really good service.
 
Bobbler said:
Thanks for the info so far Chrisp, so nice to have a discussion/debate without it being an argument :)

So the broadcasting in HD is coming via the existing RF transmitters/aerial feed we already have? (but dont actually have connected up at the moment due to Sky digibox doing all our channels).
Do you have anything on the HD setup box or telly that has this functionality at all? I was under the impression that HD is not available on Freeview style boxes, only Sky HD and cable?

I know, its unusal eh!?:)

I am nott sure how we/will get HD! But I know that BBc are doing tests and will be broadcasting in HD sometime, probably around the time of the switch off.
 
I don't see how this can be viewed as bad. UK viewers wont be affected and the BBC will make more money to spend on the UK audience. One good thing you can say about the BBC is they make awesome documentaries.
 
I would prefer to pay a license fee and not watch BBC then allow Rupert Murdoch to turn every uk tv channel into Sky1/CNN/Fox and enforce his political agenda on everyone.
 
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