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good point, im gonna take my bike and ride it round a field full of horses, sounds fair.
I noticed this too
The witness account from the horse rider explained the biker was treading the white line, braked having saw the horses, then lost control
As you just said, he probably braked so as not to scare the horses. It was only when he braked and lost control he crossed the white line.
As for your comment about the unmarked bike cop, i dont think its sneaky or underhand at all. Enjoy your riding by all means, but 110mph on a country road is excessive and unnecessary and whats more dangerous. he deserved all he got.
Re: the biker hitting the horse, I also agree that the Witnesses seem to offer a different story to the Police..
something like "He was coming around the corner, close to the middle, but on his side of the road, he saw us, braked and then cross the line".. or something to that effect..
I think that program did nothing for public relations with the police, some of them where fair, and got my respect, but there where too many jobsworths shown for my liking... especially that more portly one..
something like "He was coming around the corner, close to the middle, but on his side of the road, he saw us, braked and then cross the line".. or something to that effect..
I think that program did nothing for public relations with the police, some of them where fair, and got my respect, but there where too many jobsworths shown for my liking... especially that more portly one..
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Just watched it on iPlayer (I hate the bloody 'i' naming stuff these days!), was an enjoyable episode. I liked the fact they are concentrating on one subject per episode now, rather than just random events, shows the force in many different lights over the series. 
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only 110!, things get more fun at 130+
...most 60 limit b roads are crying out for a 120 limit.generally deserted country roads your only putting yourself at risk.. I certainly only speed when I know I'm on my own, no cars, no chance of cops... so much fun.
if I wanna put myself at risk then imho thats my own lookout.. and have some sneaky copper try and nick me for it is just a waste of already stretched resources. They should be out stopping real crime like chav joyriders and the like
only 110!, things get more fun at 130+
generally deserted country roads your only putting yourself at risk.. I certainly only speed when I know I'm on my own, no cars, no chance of cops... so much fun.
if I wanna put myself at risk then imho thats my own lookout.. and have some sneaky copper try and nick me for it is just a waste of already stretched resources. They should be out stopping real crime like chav joyriders and the like
He was doing well well over 30 in the 30 zone, 110 on a crotch rocket going over blind summits is well... wierd, and putting others at risk is not on.
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To be fair though he wasn't riding particularly sensibly, the overtakes were snatchy, not leaving my room for visibility ahead of him, not really smooth riding a little aggressive. His head did drop loads, any more and it would have fallen off his shoulders! lol!
only 110!, things get more fun at 130+
generally deserted country roads your only putting yourself at risk.. I certainly only speed when I know I'm on my own, no cars, no chance of cops... so much fun.
or the horse riders waiting on the blind bend
or the poor liason officer that has to tell your family why they pulled you and your bike out of a ditch in pieces.
at 130mph you're travelling at the rate of 63 feet a second, thats 2/3 the length of a football pitch a second.
There is no way on gods earth that's an appropriate speed in the confined spaces of country roads.
And dont try to accuse me of being biased because im not a biker. Theres a time and place for that sort of speed, and its not on confined country roads where there could be obstacles hidden at any point
Bug one for example, was caught doing 117 on an empty stretch of motorway, which ive got no problem with. You dont find horse riders and animals hiding on motorways ...
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..and we all drive vehicles, which many of us want to be as fast as possible, yet never go over 60 or 70 ?, it doesn't work like that.
I don't believe for one second you all buy fast cars for the sole reason of it being 'ok to speed only on a deserted motorway', you cant argue 'it's for the acceleration' either, what fun is accelerating to 60 and holding it there. No roads in this country are a challenge / fun at 60mph. you may as well just pull in and eat some sandwiches for extra kicks. Maybe most people buy fast vehicles to just 'pose', where is the point in that.. you buy xyz capabilities, use them. Use them on deserted country roads / motorways / track days..
speeding on a motorway is not fun, it will just get you 'there quicker', when I'm on a country road in middle of nowhereshire I'm going nowhere except to get my own personal / private adrenalin kicks..
this country is obsessed with speed, and speeding offences need to be more linked to the circumstances. ie - if on a deserted road / no turnings / no corners and get gunned at 150mph then maybe some small fixed penalty. (or even some kind of medal / badge ahah)
obviously 30 limits are there for a reason and I stick to them like glue.. not for my license but for the kid playing in the road / oap pulling of driveway etc
btw, dont start me on 'poor horse riders waiting on blind bends' again, they should not be on the road unless fitted with airbags / lights and legal tires no hoofs.. and their emissions make the road a dangerous place for a bike lol. And 'animals hiding' is not a reason not to speed.. if some dumb ferret wants to 'hide' on the road im on, he's just gonna squish. Badgers and upwards are tougher to deal with
I don't believe for one second you all buy fast cars for the sole reason of it being 'ok to speed only on a deserted motorway', you cant argue 'it's for the acceleration' either, what fun is accelerating to 60 and holding it there. No roads in this country are a challenge / fun at 60mph. you may as well just pull in and eat some sandwiches for extra kicks
. Maybe most people buy fast vehicles to just 'pose', where is the point in that.. you buy xyz capabilities, use them. Use them on deserted country roads / motorways / track days..speeding on a motorway is not fun, it will just get you 'there quicker', when I'm on a country road in middle of nowhereshire I'm going nowhere except to get my own personal / private adrenalin kicks..
this country is obsessed with speed, and speeding offences need to be more linked to the circumstances. ie - if on a deserted road / no turnings / no corners and get gunned at 150mph then maybe some small fixed penalty. (or even some kind of medal / badge ahah)
obviously 30 limits are there for a reason and I stick to them like glue.. not for my license but for the kid playing in the road / oap pulling of driveway etc
btw, dont start me on 'poor horse riders waiting on blind bends' again, they should not be on the road unless fitted with airbags / lights and legal tires no hoofs.. and their emissions make the road a dangerous place for a bike lol. And 'animals hiding' is not a reason not to speed.. if some dumb ferret wants to 'hide' on the road im on, he's just gonna squish. Badgers and upwards are tougher to deal with
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Can't say I saw any myself, really. Lesser offences are not always going to be dealt with purely by discretion, and the sad fact is that there are generally performance targets that need to be met in some way, shape or form.
It's a general consensus on this forum to be safe ton on the motorway, that’s fine as long as the driver and car are up for it. Doing 70 on NSL's where appropriate is fine – 110 whilst weaving is a different game.
But he could have had a blow out , or swerved for a piece of debris.. etc, etc,
There are no real excuses for speeding, it's all risky, just some more risky then others....
On our usual b-road routes there are places that allow 150mph with little risk*, and there are places that 30MPH would be a huge risk*
Then there are blind bends, in this case, clearly the only 'safe' thing to do is to go around them at a speed that you can safely see far enough ahead and still allow you to come to a complete stop in case of a broken down vehicle.. this is often very very slow, most people will pile around these corners at the speed limit, which gives zero chance if something is in the way, in which case I'd argue the 60MPH or 90MPH makes little practical difference* however one would be an accident, the other outrageous dangerous driving in the eyes of the law..
* - IMO
thats 30 over the legal limit, it's really getting petty when 100 is ok one place and 110 not another.
if anything a derserted b road in middle of nowhere is a safer place than a motorway, at least when your hooning about. (you should never 'hoon' on a motorway as its in constant use by the public)
you mean 'weaving' as in 'making a woven textile garment / rug' ?, I agree
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I saw an awful amount of pre-judgin going on, the bike rider was condemned for approachinng the corner on the wrong side of the road when he hit the horses, when even the horse owners said he was on his side of the road, but on seeing the horses he clearly panicked and then crossed the white line..
The Portly chap following the Range Rover was openly pre-judging the driver, even though he 100% deserved it, with the "I hate range rovers" and "I'm going to be giving him points" before even talking to the driver..
Then the whole tinted windows saga, they where 100% illegal and I agree they needed to be stopped etc, but the constant re-iteration about it being an endorsable offence, coupled with the pedantic process of not only having told the owner they are illegal, and they had to be removed there and then, but later individually testing each window just to 'show' the driver that they where too dark.., I could just about excuse testing 1 window, but with it being so blatently dark, testing the other side was then extremely pedantic..
I think it's the pre-judging on camera that I find showing a lack of professionalism and impartiality on their behalf, which isn't how I expect them to behave..
What’s 30mph over what? 70mph = 10mph over. Motorway is straight flat open road, a b road is not, hence why it's a b road, no one uses it, doesn’t go anywhere apart from local and farmers, the idyllic place to go fast, doesn’t mean it's very clever.
Like a wild animal jumping out? Farmer pulling out in his tractor, old people in a Kia Getz doing 30 over a summit or round a blind bend? IF you’re doing a suitable speed your going to be going a lot slower when your hit or try to go around them. On a Motorway you can see where you’re going all the time, and people can see you provided they look, not the same can be said when there are obstacles like hills and bushes in the way.
I'm pretty sure 150mph is not safe on any road in the UK, let alone a B road.
Like muffin has said, all it takes is a tractor to be travelling at 20mph, a person to pull out not expecting somebody to be travelling at 150mph, a fox/deer/rabbit/pheasant to run into the road and you've had it. I do a lot of B road driving and some of things you see on them are truly astounding.
Cows running down the road, horses escaped from their fields, mud in the road, bricks just lying in the road.
If you come off at 150mph on a B road, i'm pretty sure there will not be a lot of you left for some poor sod to come and scrape up.
A motorway is different, because it is somewhat more predictable than a B road, with everyone travelling around the same speed, a much wider space if you needed to swerve, the fact oncoming traffic won't hit you if you stack it, hence you can comfortably do 100mph on a m'way in relative safety.
B roads are truly unpredictable and going over 100 on most B roads is taking your's and everyone elses lifes into your hands.
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