be quiet!:Red Ryzen(1600) Vs Blue Core (8400) - GTX 1070 SLi...?

orbitalwalsh · 11 Oct 2017 at 11:26

Morning all!

with coffee lake out and seeing some of the early Intel slides of the 8400 having the best gains out of the products thought that would be a killer chip on a budget z370 board.

Since I quote a long with others either Gigabytes B350 Gaming 3 or B350 Strix F - with Vulcan 3000HZ ram and either ryzen 1200/1400/1600 - wanted to put my month were my mouth is and pit it against 8400 version using the same ram and Similar Spec board/Priced board so....... hence the name Red Vs Blue- although some know it from the Halo Rooster series

Both cases will be wrapped up in this - yes not so budget as P300 or Kolink case but should keep owners happy

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x be quiet! Pure Base 600 Midi Tower Case - Black Window= £84.95
1 x be quiet! Silent Loop Superior Liquid CPU Cooler - 240mm= £129.95
1 x be quiet! Pure Power 10 500W CM 80 Plus Silver Modular Power Supply= £78.95

Total: £306.15
(includes shipping: £12.30)

Im half tempted to give both stock coolers a try as well- haven't used the Wraith spire personally but know it has a good rep- and wonder if intel have stepped up their game!

Ryzen Core budget Build - non sale price is £116 for the board and £189 for the cpu

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 5 Six Core 1600 3.60GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £179.99
1 x Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3 AMD B350 (Socket AM4) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £101.99
1 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD416G30= £158.99

Total: £451.47
(includes shipping: £10.50)

Other boards to comment on is the B350 Strix F - both work with that ram kit just fine

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-69v-as.html

Intel Core budget Build - Shame price of the board went up from £109 odd i think within the first hour launch window

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Intel Core i5-8400 2.8GHz (Coffee Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail= £179.99
1 x Gigabyte Z370-HD3 Intel Z370 (Socket 1151) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £129.95
1 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD416G30= £158.99

Total: £479.43
(includes shipping: £10.50)

also seems ASRock Pro 4 has gotten a good nod hitting 5gz on the bigger chips

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asro...cket-1151-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-15p-ak.html

I might have 8 Pack 3600hz ram kit to test out but I Have my own corsair Dominator 3600hz i can slap in to test ram overclocking on the Z370.
We all know that intel will be slow to ship out the B360 chipset for boards- why no idea but mem speed will be locked so will be nice to see if its worth getting a budget z370 to see if 3200 kit that could potentially be clocked to 4000hz adds Performance in games over default speed of B360

If it didnt have my kids- would have ordered these for more fun !

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Intel Core i3-8100 3.6GHz (Coffee Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail= £109.99
1 x AMD Ryzen 3 Quad Core 1200 3.40GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £89.99

Total: £209.88
(includes shipping: £9.90)

orbitalwalsh · 11 Oct 2017 at 12:37

thanks to @southernorth for pointing this out to me
https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/tes...d_ryzen_5_1600_wojna_szesciu_rdzeni?page=0,43

just to hit the board's max 4000hz speed ...

orbitalwalsh · 11 Oct 2017 at 12:50

southernorth said:
https://youtu.be/d3mj6doJyIM

Another review but with ~3000mhz used. As expected, Ryzen wins productivity, but 8400 in 1080p games. The gap reduces above 1080, but the vast majority of people are still on 1080p so those are the most relevant results.

yeah , seems systems i've spec'd for people have included RX card and 1080p 144hz freesync monitor as the price of them is just too good!

I've got the pro version for 3D Mark and 1440p monitor so should help with 1080p vs 1440p , but yeah 1080p is the sweet spot

Unfortunately never streamed and never intend to- but would be interesting to try to see how they do against each other! gamersnexus 7700k vs 1700 was such a good piece and sure helped linking that to pending streamers on here

orbitalwalsh · 11 Oct 2017 at 13:37

4K8KW10 said:
Apparently, people voted and voted in favour of Ryzen

https://www.techpowerup.com/

the owners will get what they are given haha - I know they'll both work fine - specially going from i7- 860!!!!!

Hopefully turns out to be a fun little build and hopeful

orbitalwalsh · 11 Oct 2017 at 14:53

Aneskimo said:
Shall be interesting to see these machines built and seeing the pros and cons. It will also be great to see what tweaks you can make to get them extra gains as both systems seem to be at a budget where people ask for a build and these get spec’d

saw a few reviews with the 8400- seems bios tweaks are need - Aorus Gaming board had the CPU boosting to 3.8ghz across all cores anyways but seems blck clocking my work- although these boards dont have them

actually never built in a bequiet case! although have used their fans and AIO's quite a bit

seem some German design in motion

orbitalwalsh · 11 Oct 2017 at 15:17

Aneskimo said:
To be honest I have not really got into overclocking my 4770k is stock, I could have been sat on a golden chip for years and not known

:O worth it ! free performance for some fun hours overclocking and nail biting action watching a benchmark fail in the last 10 seconds !

orbitalwalsh · 11 Oct 2017 at 15:45

so, the B360 has been spotted

https://videocardz.com/73319/first-intel-b360-motherboard-spotted

orbitalwalsh · 13 Oct 2017 at 13:48

GinG said:
Following this with great interest...any idea on when they will be built? Hoping to put an order in next week some time!

might be two weeks

Have a ton of over time from work which I can do at home which is to good to miss out on
Did manage to find and order Red version of the Vulcan Ram so will have one to match the Gaming 3 and the silver one from here to match the HD3

I think the be quiet! gear arrives next week Tuesday - really looking forward to seeing the case

orbitalwalsh · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:10

GinG said:
Following this with great interest...any idea on when they will be built? Hoping to put an order in next week some time!

Scratch that, more parts arrived

orbitalwalsh · 13 Oct 2017 at 14:50

GinG said:
No chance of a sneaky test bench?

wife has got some fancy desk shelves to make her desk - which i will half use more opened space - and also shipping box came to send of PC to friend - so will have the space- might be able to use my Parvum build to power up the mobo if its the mobo early next week since it doesn't need the GPU- as thats got a water block with no water hahaha
I do have my Corsair 3600hz dominator I guess I could use as a stop gap - think i managed 3800 with that

orbitalwalsh · 13 Oct 2017 at 15:02

GinG said:
Looking at recent benchmarks I think the 8400 is the way to go for 100% gaming and being honest I can see it keeping me happy for the next 4 - 5 years.

Just need to get my hands on one!

I also have a 8600k, was in to minds of returning it to OCUK- but will see if my friend want to drop the extra £110 on it ...... dont think he will other wise can off shoot the 8400

but im guessing they'll be stock by then

orbitalwalsh · 13 Oct 2017 at 15:12

GinG said:
Any reason why you went the gigabyte instead of Strix? Just down to price?

I have spec'd an 8400 build with the following board: ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-F GAMING

Just think it looks better!

I have an account with distributor and was cheaper haha - but also wanted to keep it a fair level fight - plus if anything smokes i can post it down south to gigabyte RMA haha *touch wood*
gutted i sold my delidder tool- doesn't need it but would be fun to try it out on the 8400 hahaha

orbitalwalsh · 13 Oct 2017 at 15:28

GinG said:
Makes sense there then

Would also be interested to see your thoughts on the case.

I think the wife may have got boxes mixed up, thought it was the mobo's but seems its the case, AIO and psu

orbitalwalsh · 13 Oct 2017 at 15:40

GinG said:
Ha! Brilliant...now pics

pmsl - if i can get the kids off to bed b half 8 i'll crack it open

orbitalwalsh · 13 Oct 2017 at 16:39

One case arrived

orbitalwalsh · 13 Oct 2017 at 22:40

Aneskimo said:
It’s like Christmas is coming when the boxes of goodies turn up it’s one of the best bits of building, getting the boxes stacked up and ready to go

Haha, indeed, on top of my Parvum case is the i5 8600k which I think I'll send back .

Managed to take some quick snaps of the Pure 600, was quite surprised. Is lighter then I thought and also a little longer which really makes that glass window stand out compared to other midi cases with glass

orbitalwalsh · 15 Oct 2017 at 07:53

gone are the days i could do fancy shots or ones without toys, kid or stuff in the back ground

Top panel and front are plastic , so case was lighter then what I'm use to but feel wasn't cheap and colour matched the black painted metal parts and darkened tempered glass just nicely

That glass window is nice and long compared to a more square like NZXT s340 and Corsair 460X
I like it, wide screen effect

Build quality is good ! My son test out the power button and fan toggle many many many many many times , and hasn't broken - German engineering at work

Child proof ! And pretty

Semi modular , son likes the quality of braiding

Plenty of room in the back, also extra large tray cut out- boards like Asus ROG and Gaming 7 with a backplate my look cool if a Back Window could be installed - stock has a metal panel with sound dampening material on it

Normally install the PSU to draw fresh col air but safety liable on the other side , so sunny side up it is

looks nice with the orange

Thing is huge for a midi case- in a good way

Just a shame there wasn't a bottom 120mm fan mount as plenty of room .
Case makes a good point for its self if you want to do custom water loop

Can see the smart design for the front cages to allow 30mm 360 rad and fans to slip in the top with keeping the cage in- if you want 360 at the front though it's got to come out

PCIe slots are protruded into the case- more expensive for manufactures to produce then just using one flat sheet - and does allow you to get gets such as cooler master vertical GPU mount kit with a little but of modding to get a card vertical

HDD tray set up is a nice feature , would have been cool to have mounted them vertically as well, but that's just me
240 Silent loop looks a bit lost haha

States 280 AIO wouldn't work but I think k with the right motherboard with heatsinks a little lower , it might work. Got a spare Alphacool 280 ST I could line it up with

Preferring with lid installed to a naked top

Mouse is optional extra

orbitalwalsh · 15 Oct 2017 at 11:30

Aneskimo said:
You can tell even from the pictures there is ample amount of space, you are right it’s really good for a midi

Seems from a few reviews of adding a 30mm rad to the front with HDD mounts in place - easily fit a Monsta Rad in there if racks are removed which is pretty cool .

Just a shame , 5mm taller and 280 AIO would have fitted fine at the top.

orbitalwalsh · 16 Oct 2017 at 08:45

GinG said:
The case looks pretty nice.

Only 2 things I would say about it though, after looking about at a few possible cases myself I really prefer the ones with shrouds over the PSU and bottom of the case to help tidy this area up...also I much prefer a case without the drive bays...who uses CD drives these days?!

True, it dismounts which is nice. And if your hard into water set up then you be rocking an aquacomputer aquaero

Or with a user that I recommend the case to with Aorus card - VR set up with HDMI pass through at the front and internal HDMI on the card means its easy to plug and play your Headset

Thing with me for shrouds is your either given it or not..... dont get much choice on the matter . Some PSU's like Super Flower that have the lit up cable connections really need to be on full view

But yeah for $4 would have been nice to have included an L shaped metal/plastic shroud

got some spare Phanteks halo rings - not sure if just to attach one to the rear fan - or add 2 to the AIO or 2 to the front 140s ...

might add one to the PSU...mmmmm

orbitalwalsh · 16 Oct 2017 at 08:59

GinG said:
I get your point, there is still some use for them I guess.

Where are you at with regards parts now, have you got most things now for a Ryzen vs 8400 build or still waiting?

still awaiting - the CPU is meant to turn up on the 18th, the 8400 that is - selected budget shipping !
used a site for the Red Vulcan ram i've never used before , should be turning up today ...... thought it would match well with the red sockets on the Gaming 3 and Grey for the Intel board