Beginner PC building, info needed.

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Wanted to try my had at building a pc, but i was wondering if anyone knew where i could find some beginner information.

Not so much specific steps, but more about how to decide what components to buy, as in whats compatible with what.

As a complete beginner i find reading about a mb that has LGA 2011/1150 dosn't mean much to me, or tell me whats compatible, or whats new or old.

Feel a bit lost, so if anyone knows a good place to find this info or give me a run down it would be much appreciated. :confused:
 
Hey thanks for the reply.
Ive had gander at the shopping lists given to people on the forums, and like i get the people giving this advice know it all fits and is compatible, but i kinda want to understand myself if that makes sense.

I dont have a budget perticularly, as a quick figure, say 400-600. Although i do know i would like to build a mATX with an emphasis on gaming. So i guess a budget gaming build (to replace my failing laptop).

Edit: Intel and nVidia preferable
 
Not so much specific steps, but more about how to decide what components to buy, as in whats compatible with what.

As a complete beginner i find reading about a mb that has LGA 2011/1150 dosn't mean much to me, or tell me whats compatible, or whats new or old.

I think an effective way to help you out the way you want, would be by you posting a few example baskets (doing your best to get everything compatible), and then we can point out anything that isn't, and why.

OcUK Shopping Cart Viewers: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18371076
 
So i did as you suggested, and read loads i tried to eliminate things that i thought wern't compatible based on what i read.
(Juts added the hardware compatibility bits, not case/coolers etc)

YOUR BASKET
1 x Gigabyte GeForce GTX 960 WindForce 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £179.99
1 x Intel Core i5-4670 3.40GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £169.99
1 x Asus H97M-Plus Intel H97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £79.99
1 x Asus H97M-E Intel H97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £70.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Beast 8GB (2x4GB) PC3-14900C9 1866MHz Dual Channel Kit (HX318C9T3K2/8) £55.99
Total : £566.56 (includes shipping : £8.00).



Motherboard: So with the MB, i linked 2 because i wasnt sure of the differences, like what is a PCI-e x16 to a PCI-e x1 and what would be each be used for? guessing x16 for Vcard?
As for the socket, i read 1150 is the way to go because 2011v3 only has the x99 chipset, and is for like enthusiast.
In terms of chipset i went for the h97 because z97 is more aimed at OCing. Please correct me if any of this is wrong.


CPU: I went for the i5-4670. Only because the i5 dosn't have hyperthreading, whereas i7s do(i think??). Games wont take advantage of hyperthreading.
And 4670 was the highest number without getting a K version, which is for OCers? Which im obviously not going to be doing at this stage.


RAM: total confusion! what does PC3-14400+, 128000 mean?
Also on their pages certain products list chipset compatibility, and mention h97, whereas others dont mention compatibility at all.


Vcard: Went for a 960 cos it seems to do good on benchmarks and is a nice price.
Can i pick any? Are they compatible with any chipset and socket type?
Also the price differences i dont understand, other than slight differences in clock speed?

I tried my best and did a few hours of reading before choosing, so if any of this is wrong please be patient with me.
Thanks to anyone who can answer my wall o questions!
 
PCI-E 16X is a full length slot used by GFX cards as it provides lots of bandwidth (PCI-E lanes).

The smaller 1X slot is more commonly used by expansion cards, sound cards etc that do not need all that bandwidth.

A 1X card will work and fit in a 16X slot.

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i7 have Hyperthreading, K is aimed at overclockers as it has an unlocked multiplier making overclocking easy.

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You can pick any card as long as it fits in the slot and fits the case (clears the drive bays) and has a suitable PSU.

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RAM, higher the number the faster it is in terms of bandwidth, timings (CAS11, 10, 9 etc) also affect performance with lower = better.


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This would be at the higher end of your budget,

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-4690K 3.50GHz (Devil's Canyon) Socket LGA1150 Processor - OEM £179.99
1 x MSI AMD Radeon R9 285 Gaming Edition 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £149.99
1 x Gigabyte Z97P-D3 Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £62.99
1 x Antec TruePower Classic 550w '80 Plus Gold' Power Supply £55.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Savage Red 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-19200C11 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit (HX324C11SRK2/8) £46.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST1000DM003) HDD £42.95
1 x Xigmatek Mach Midi-Tower Black £24.95
1 x Raijintek Themis Black Heatpipe CPU Cooler PWM - 120mm £19.99
Total : £593.44 (includes shipping : £8.00).

 
So i did as you suggested, and read loads i tried to eliminate things that i thought wern't compatible based on what i read.
(Juts added the hardware compatibility bits, not case/coolers etc)

Understood. Nice one. That spec is all compatible except for the RAM speed - H97 boards will run RAM at 1600MHz max (with extremely rare and unofficial exceptions). The RAM you chose would still work but would run at 1600MHz instead of its XMP (automatic setting) 1866MHz speed.

The i5-4670 CPU is an original Haswell designed for Z87/H87 etc boards, it will work fine but you could go for a newer Haswell refresh CPU released in conjunction with Z97 and H97 boards.

If you wanted to do a bit of overclocking, you'd need a Z board and a "K" CPU.


Motherboard: So with the MB, i linked 2 because i wasnt sure of the differences, like what is a PCI-e x16 to a PCI-e x1 and what would be each be used for? guessing x16 for Vcard?

Yes, the x16 is for the video card. The PCI slots are for stuff like sound cards, and the PCI-E x1 slots are the newer format of PCI. Some sound cards are for PCI, others for PCI-E x1, so you'd want a motherboard with the appropriate format for your sound card etc. Note that these days the onboard sound is good enough that most people don't need a sound card (I don't).


As for the socket, i read 1150 is the way to go because 2011v3 only has the x99 chipset, and is for like enthusiast.

Correct, 2011v3 is out of your budget and is unnecessary for gaming or if you will be using a maximum of two video cards. X99 can be helpful for running more than two video cards or for tasks like photo/video rendering (to speed it up, more cores etc).


In terms of chipset i went for the h97 because z97 is more aimed at OCing. Please correct me if any of this is wrong.

This is correct. However there is no problem with running a non-overclocking CPU on a Z97 motherboard, if you find one with slightly better features for the same prices. A Z97 board will also allow running RAM of faster speeds.


CPU: I went for the i5-4670. Only because the i5 dosn't have hyperthreading, whereas i7s do(i think??). Games wont take advantage of hyperthreading.

Correct, most games won't right now, and your budget doesn't suit an i7 anyway.


And 4670 was the highest number without getting a K version, which is for OCers? Which im obviously not going to be doing at this stage.

This one is the highest non-K i5:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-4690 3.50GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £169.99



It's a Haswell refresh, and the successor to/replacement of the i5-4670.

You may not want to O/C right now, but buying a "K" is always an option as you can leave it at stock without any trouble, and only O/C it when you're ready.



RAM: total confusion! what does PC3-14400+, 128000 mean?

Yes. You can safely ignore those distinctions (which are based on speed) and just focus on the stated speed itself. Also on the CAS timings. The tighter the timings the better. i.e. If you have to choose between 9-9-9-24 and 10-10-10-28 1600MHz, the former should be a bit faster.




Vcard: Went for a 960 cos it seems to do good on benchmarks and is a nice price.

They are nice enough cards and some of them have fans which don't spin at all when idling or light gaming, which is very nice as far as keeping noise down is concerned. They also don't require a lot of power compared to other cards. However, cards like the 280X outperform the 960s, for around the same price, and have an extra GB of VRAM (video memory) for those games that scrape 2GB usage @ 1080p.


Can i pick any? Are they compatible with any chipset and socket type?

Yes. Any single card is compatible. To run two of them you'd need a CrossFire motherboard (in case of AMD/Radeon cards) or an SLI motherboard (in case of Nvidia cards). You also need to make sure your power supply is up to the task of running your card/s.


Also the price differences i dont understand, other than slight differences in clock speed?

Certain brands are simply more expensive, whether the product is actually better or not. Sometimes certain models will have better coolers than others. Sometimes the chips will be better (binned) than others, allowing for a higher overclock. Some will have longer warranties (three instead of two years). Etc.

You chose a decent Gigabyte model. Can't go too wrong with those. But my choice (for a 960) right now would be:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Inno3D GeForce GTX 960 iChill X3 Air Boss Ultra 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (C960-2SDN-E5CNX) £169.99
Total : £179.59 (includes shipping : £8.00).



Faster. Cheaper. Fans that only spin when serious gaming. Quiet and very effective cooler overall. And nice backplate. Inno3D's iChill models are fast obtaining a great reputation.




I tried my best and did a few hours of reading before choosing, so if any of this is wrong please be patient with me.
Thanks to anyone who can answer my wall o questions!

You did well. What you picked would have worked. Just commented on some finer details and hopefully addressed the questions you had.

You need to identify all the items you need for your build. i.e. PSU, Operating System... everything. It may be that an AMD based build will end up being more adequate for your budget, depending on everything you require.
 
Thanks so much guys, what excellent replies - so much info to digest here.


Just a couple of follow-up questions; how can i tell if a processor is a haswell or a haswell follow-up card? I read that broadwell is set to be released in spring, and is compatible with 1150 socket, would it be worth waiting?


For now i want to avoid as much confusion as i can so will be sticking to no OCing and one video card. I wasn't aware i could mix an AMD card with Intel bits.

I used this site to check card benchmarks: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html The R280x seems to come a bit lower than the 960??

The only reason im biased toward intel in nVidia is i have at least a bit of familiarity
with their naming and what it means in terms of power.

Going to digest this info and come back when i've had another good look :) thanks again guys
 
What games will you be playing? What tasks will perform?

Once you know these things you will find the most suitable parts.
Also take a look at some matx cases
 
Games, mmos general new releases etc everything pretty much. So aiming to put more in video card.
I actually have a second machine that was built for me for work so any heavy load stuff will be done on that. This build is to replace my failing laptop - which i dont really move out of the house, just around the house so looking for a build i can do this with, semi-portable i.e not a massive pain to shift.

Case wise i was umming and ahhing between itx and m-atx, but i thought for a first build and thinking about upgrades/maintenance and for compatibility im probably better with an matx - but looking for a small as possible/compact one.

Currently considering:
YOUR BASKET
1 x Corsair Carbide Series Air 240 High Airflow PC Case - White (CC-9011069-WW) £75.95
1 x BitFenix Prodigy M 'Yin' MATX Cube Case - White/Black £74.95
1 x BitFenix Phenom MATX Cube Case - Nvidia Edition - White £69.95
Total : £235.85 (includes shipping : £12.50).



These were the most compact mATX that look ok too. Also like: http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00002559

Completley open to suggestions though (also should i move this to small form factor thread?)
 
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