Belgium Grand Prix 2010, Spa-Francorchamps Circuit - Race 13/19

JRS said:
I'm voting "no penalty".

Keith Collantine is right when he says that we can't have penalties for every driver who loses control by accident and happens to hit someone else. Yes, Vettel has done it more than once. Yes, he's an arrogant little ballbag and it's about time he was taken down a peg or six. But the last time I checked, drive-thru penalties aren't handed out to people just for being arrogant ballbags. They're handed out for breaches of the regulations, and I'm not sure that crash really counts.

It is, however, time someone sat Vettel down and asked him what the **** he thinks he's up to.
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Other crashes aren't the same though.

1) they where not wheel to wheel in a corner
2) it wasn't wet and just misjudged a braking point
3) he lost it due to an aggressive shift in direction, which was avoidable.
4) he took out a championship contender whilst keeping himself in a decent point situation.

I'm sure all that and more meant he got a penalty while others haven't. As JB it was an odd accident, it wasn't just a clipped wing while side by side, or having no braking power in the wet.

However after saying all that it's a very close call and I voted no opinion.
 
JRS said:
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Monaco '08 set the precedent, with Kimi dropping it on the run down from the tunnel to the chicane and collecting the car in front of him. He wasn't penalised for that, Vettel shouldn't be for his mistake. But like I said, someone needs to have a word with him about some of the things he's doing on-track.
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How's that the same, he had no controll and collected someone.
This was a pretty unique crash. It wasn't overtaking, it wasn't a usuall mess up either. I'm also sure the fact that it was championship contender and specifically the one causing the crashing staying in the points and the other retiring.
 
How and why did Ferrari lose control coming out of the tunnel, that's the important bit.


el_dazza said:
And Vettel did, right? :/
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As I said it's a tough call and I voted no opinion.

However there's a huge difference, it wasn't an over take or even a glimpse of one. Neither did he simply losse control. He made an aggressive switch in controll which made him lose controll, as such can be seen as an avoidable accident. You just have to decide if the move he made was reasonable or not, to which side of the fence you sit on.
 
sunama said:
Vettel's crash was down to misjudgement and error. I don't think he was being reckless. He tried to brake late (perhaps he had a little brain fade as well) and his car began to fishtail out of control. During this time, Button happened to be right in front of Vettel's (out of control car) and he collected Button.
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He lost control due to the sharp swerve.

the aftermath of the car, is very much important. No point giving a drive through to someone who is no longer racing. I have no doubt Vettle would not of been punished if he rejoined in 20th or retired.

It's also very important on why and how they lost control, in the first place. No one is going to get punished for a clipped wing running side by side though a corner, or misjudging speed difference with a back marker.

However you can argue a case, for someone following making a massive swerve losing control, taking out a championship contender whilst rejoining just outside the points in a perfectly healthy car. I think it is the sum of all of those which got him the penalty. Remove any one of those circumstances and he would not of been punished.
 
But has never been a problem for the other how ever many races it's been.

Massa just admit you **** up, you're not the first one to overshoot and you wont be the last.
 
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