Best B450 mobo for Ryzen 3600?

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The Tomohawk Max seems to be selling very well, probably due to the bigger bios chip but it seems to me the MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC has a much better spec?

Anything else worth considering?

The B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC bios can be updated via usb right? Any major drawbacks vs the bigger bios in the tomohawk?

This CPU going in it will be the 3600 and together with 16gb Corsair 3200mhz ram.

 

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The MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC looks like a much better mobo to me and from what I can see you can put the bios on a usb stick and flash it without needing a cpu in it.

Just wanted to hear from others here. I think @easyrider has one of these and @Panos usually keeps up with all that is AMD so maybe they can shed some light?

 

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Gigabyte B450 Aourus Pro There are Asus boards, ASRock boards, you should look at MSI's only in last in the queue.

Had a look at the ASUS one's and the MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC looked to offer better price for performance.

Will check out the Gigabyte one you mention in a bit. But all the research I did a few months ago led to me the MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC and I am wondering if anything has chaned. Do you have the B450 AORUS PRO? Can it be easily flashed without a CPU in it?

 

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The only positive difference between Carbon & Tomahawk Max, is Carbon has onboard Wifi and Intel instead of Realtek ethernet.

On any other aspect Tomahawk Max is better. Better BIOS, guaranteed support for 4000 Ryzen also costs £107.
Nobody shouldn't forget that because of the bios restrictions MSI has serious trouble making new bios for the 16mb motherboards, dropping the ball for many of them including the cheap X470 of the range.

Personally wait few weeks for B550 that would be the beefed up B450 without the drawbacks of trying to find which board has 32MB bios. (Like the Tomahawk Max).

Thanks for that Panos. You sure the B550 boards come out in a few weeks? Thought they were Q1 2020?

 

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I think I might just wait for the B550 boards. Not in a rush really. By then we will have even better bios's and better stability.

 

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Why don't you just buy a X570 board now?
In two years, there will be PCIe 5 boards, and then you will be two generations behind if you stick to PCIe 3


My basket at Overclockers UK:

• 1 x Gigabyte X570 GAMING X (AMD AM4) DDR4 X570 Chipset ATX Motherboard= £175.99

Total: £186.49 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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This will be eventually going into our 2nd PC which only runs on a dual core haswell right now. Not that it is slow or anything but that PC won't be doing any gaming and if it ever does it will be at 1080p so PCIe 3 would be fine for that for a long time I would imagine.

Will take a look at the board you have linked, but not a "fan" of there being a fan on a mobo

 

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Why don't you just buy a X570 board now?
In two years, there will be PCIe 5 boards, and then you will be two generations behind if you stick to PCIe 3


My basket at Overclockers UK:

• 1 x Gigabyte X570 GAMING X (AMD AM4) DDR4 X570 Chipset ATX Motherboard= £175.99

Total: £186.49 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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Any reason you have recommended this over the ASUS PRIME X570-P which has much better vrm cooling and better audio codec? It can be had for £179.99.

 

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The B450 pro gaming Carbon is a great mobo...worked really well with my 3700x...the x570 gaming Carbon is not good though with a 12 core 3900x so I’m swapping it it for a gigabyte x570 aorus Pro...

If you want a cheap mobo to pair with a 3600 or even 3700 the B450 Carbon is a great choice...but yo u will need to flash the bios as no MAX version yet as far as I can tell.

Thanks easy.

Another one that is on my radar is the ASUS TUF GAMING X570-PLUS which I can get for £165 which is a good price considering most places sell it for a lot more.

I am thinking if I got for a X570 it might be worth it in the longer run for my secondary PC as I can much later on stick a 12 core or even more in it for dirt cheap in 3-5 years when everyone is offloading them on members market

What's your plans with the 3600 and Carbon AC easy?

 

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TUF is 400 amps across vcore, Gaming X is 600amps . Both budget ways of doing it , but least handle some volts and cores.

Not done research into Mobo's since like 2013 so a bit rusty. I think what put me off the Gigabyte X is the audio codec it uses. Even the AC Carbon has a much better one.

I do not plan on overclocking the CPU so I do not think the extra amps would come in handy. I am guessing either of these mobo's would run a 12 core easily in the future if I went down that route?

Will likely wait for the B550's and see what they have to offer as these low end X570 seem like they offer less things just so they can segment and expand their range.

Edit: The other option is Aorus X570 AORUS ELITE at £189.99. But I might just wait for black friday and hope things go on sale

 

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Thanks for all the help guys. Pulled the trigger on:

Ryzen 3600
Aorus X570 AORUS ELITE
Corsair 16gb 3200MHz CL16 RAM

Total came to just shy of £445

In the end I thought with this mobo I have the option of plonking in a cheap 4900X or something in 3-4 years time and it is a better mobo to have in the meantime.

Was going to wait until B550 or Black Friday but could not resist the Aorus X570 AORUS Elite at under £190 as everywhere else have it priced a lot higher.

 

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I'm running a Gigabyte B450 Aorus M(mATX) and with the F40 bios i was able to, with no sweat, beat the best 3600 score in the r20 bench thread when i put it together. Now of course this is mainly due to me being a bit lucky with my 3600 (non x) but still the board works without issues and the PCIe layout is good for those of us who run a dedicated sound card/other pcie plugin card and don't want the air to the gpu to be blocked off. VRMs are cool, never see them above 40c during gaming or stress testing. This is however with a small heatsink fitted to the naked vrms that sit at the top of the board but thats it and its just some random junk i used from my MK-26 gpu heatsink.

When i bought the board with a r5 2600 i was disappointed with it but now with a zen 2 cpu in it, its a whole other story.

I beat your score

 

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Uhh you did? what you get ? .. tell me.

Go check the thread. Humbug has not updated it yet, but mine is the last post

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/33089415/

519 on single thread

Seem I got lucky with the silicon lottery

 

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Thats mighty impressive. That I hold no candle to. Well done.

Thanks. I think the X570 has helped. That and silicon lottery.

 

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You are to fast on the reply to get my ninja edit

Haha

 

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What settings did you tweak to get that? i'm certainly not versed that well yet in Ryzen overclocking/tweaking so any assistance would be appreciated.

Nothing special at all. Just lowered vcore in ryzen master and set all cores to the same, everything on default in mobo settings.

I have found that there is huge amount of temp increase with higher vcore. For my 4.4GHz I did my test on 1.25v. Same with the 4,5GHz but that one could only manage the single core test. Soon as I run the multi core test it crashed. Lol. Not enough voltage I guess.

 

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Sounds like the same as what i noticed. I got higher scores in r15 the lower the voltage. The second I tried r20 with lower voltages everything went to ****. So certainly not AVX stable at these lower voltages.

I did the same test today and managed to get the all cores working fine to pass Cinebench at 4.5GHz. It crashed at 1.3v, but worked fine at 1.325v. So yeah, definitely needed more voltage

Got my single thread on cinebench r20 to 520 pts now. I think I could push more, but I know I cannot be too far away from the limits of this chip and do not want to pump in anymore volts as I am not under water. Using BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4

 

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I think your chip is a golden one or at least very close to be one. I myself is using a Cryorig r1 ultimate.

Yeah. I went from thinking I had a dud as I had crashes when I first put it all together which turned out to be due to one stick of the ram to ending up being a golden one

 

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What a nice surprise. That said, even if my chip is only mediocre i'm still very happy with the performance at 4,3. I actually took it down to 4,275 and was able to drop the voltage from 1,425 to 1.381 and performance is exactly the same.

Yeah, that is still a good clock. As long as you have decent cooling and fan profile then it’s all good.

I do love running mine at 4.2GHz and at 1.15v. Hardly any heat at all, runs so cool. If I ever need a bit more performance I then go to my 4.4GHz profile

 

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Personally going off past experience from using Aorus on my 1080ti's, I would never pick any product with the Aorus branding again. In my experience the software is just plain crap.

What software? Lighting? What other software is there on a graphics card? All I look for is price, warranty and cooler. Software matters not, as nvidia or amd deal with drivers which is the only software that matters imo.

 

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Gigabyte Aorus Engine mate, it is awful and so bad infact it makes Corsairs CUE look good. Going off that software and how pathetic it is, I would never touch Aorus again personally, just my opinion.

Fair enough.

I agree their software is definitely below the quality of say ASUS (on motherboards anyway). But I never use their software or if I do it is just for a short while to change a setting and get out so it does not bother me personally. My thoughts are hardware and warranty first, software after that, unless the software is critical to the product which for a graphics card it is not imo, as it is just lightning.