Best CPU to get for 478 Board

[Corasik]

Is it really worth spending £100+ when you can pick up a E2180 1.8Ghz Core 2 for £50+vat and an Asrock DDR+AGP motherboard for £36.99+vat.

Thats around £100 inc vat, and it can use 2 sticks of DDR memory, and an AGP graphics card. So no extra costs envolved when upgrading an older system. Fair enough, its not the best motherboard in the world, but it certainly provides a very cheap 'bridge' between the new and old technologies.

However, if you can pickup a 3.2, or 3.4Ghz Northy cheap enough thats probably the best chip you can realistically put in a 478 board.

 

[snowdog]

Pfff prescott haters , scotts do 4 ghz easy @ 1.5 volts with a cheap 92 mm zalman non heatpipe flower cooler, prescotts don't suffer from sudden death either, they can run heavy overclocks for years, hell the world record for a 90nm chip is held by a prescott @ 7.2 ghz ...
They may be hotter but they can run hotter, with a northwood, I wouldn't advice running it above 60 C, while scotts are fine upto 75 C.
I'd go for prescott tbh as with that board and watercooling it should do 4.5 ghz easy, northwoord don't go that high and if they do they die within a matter of months.

I never understood why ppl were going for northwood since northwoods can't even come near 4ghz and run it for years, so what if prescotts get hotter they're fine upto 75C.
4+ ghz prescotts f.t.w. ( on socket 478 anyhow, if lga775 forget netburst and go conroe lol)

 

[ih8modem]

Is it really worth spending £100+ when you can pick up a E2180 1.8Ghz Core 2 for £50+vat and an Asrock DDR+AGP motherboard for £36.99+vat.

Thats around £100 inc vat, and it can use 2 sticks of DDR memory, and an AGP graphics card. So no extra costs envolved when upgrading an older system. Fair enough, its not the best motherboard in the world, but it certainly provides a very cheap 'bridge' between the new and old technologies.

However, if you can pickup a 3.2, or 3.4Ghz Northy cheap enough thats probably the best chip you can realistically put in a 478 board.

This is definitely the way to go in my opinion. (new CPU with new board).

 

[Justintime]

Pfff prescott haters , scotts do 4 ghz easy @ 1.5 volts with a cheap 92 mm zalman non heatpipe flower cooler, prescotts don't suffer from sudden death either, they can run heavy overclocks for years, hell the world record for a 90nm chip is held by a prescott @ 7.2 ghz ...
They may be hotter but they can run hotter, with a northwood, I wouldn't advice running it above 60 C, while scotts are fine upto 75 C.
I'd go for prescott tbh as with that board and watercooling it should do 4.5 ghz easy, northwoord don't go that high and if they do they die within a matter of months.

I never understood why ppl were going for northwood since northwoods can't even come near 4ghz and run it for years, so what if prescotts get hotter they're fine upto 75C.
4+ ghz prescotts f.t.w. ( on socket 478 anyhow, if lga775 forget netburst and go conroe lol)

Sooo... how many Northwoods have u overclocked? I've had 3 2.8 800FSB woodies that could do 3.9GHz on air at stock and 4GHz on 1.575v or thereabouts and one 3.2 that did 4.1Ghz on air @ stock volts (30 capper Gallatin reject). You're suggesting that Prescotts are better than Nws for S478, i've got a few client upgrades that went up in smoke with Prescott cpus on boards that were Prescott certified, still fried em over time though, also at work 3 mobos died within a matter of months after being upgraded to Prescott 3Ghz from 2.4Ghz Nws and we put back the Nws in the surviving 14 after we realised the problem was the heat produced. Have had to source mobos for a few sff pcs that died not long after being built with or upgraded to Prescott cpus, also psus. Socket 478 barely coped with the hotter faster last generation Northwoods muchless the Prescotts tbh. Also SNDS is a thing of the past, have not seen much any later Northwood suffer from it, its more a thing to worry about in the older 1.6A etc.. cores, i.e a long time ago.

 

[snowdog]

Sooo... how many Northwoods have u overclocked? I've had 3 2.8 800FSB woodies that could do 3.9GHz on air at stock and 4GHz on 1.575v or thereabouts and one 3.2 that did 4.1Ghz on air @ stock volts (30 capper Gallatin reject). You're suggesting that Prescotts are better than Nws for S478, i've got a few client upgrades that went up in smoke with Prescott cpus on boards that were Prescott certified, still fried em over time though, also at work 3 mobos died within a matter of months after being upgraded to Prescott 3Ghz from 2.4Ghz Nws and we put back the Nws in the surviving 14 after we realised the problem was the heat produced. Have had to source mobos for a few sff pcs that died not long after being built with or upgraded to Prescott cpus, also psus. Socket 478 barely coped with the hotter faster last generation Northwoods muchless the Prescotts tbh. Also SNDS is a thing of the past, have not seen much any later Northwood suffer from it, its more a thing to worry about in the older 1.6A etc.. cores, i.e a long time ago.

I've had about 10 northwoods in my own pc, of wich 5 died due to too high overclocks, I upgraded very often, I started out with a 1.8 ghz, then a 2.0 ghz, then 2.4 ghz, then 2.8 ghz, then 3 ghz, then 3.4 ghz, killed 2 3ghz, killed one 2.8 and killed a 1.8 one in the process, while sold 100's more to customers ( not overclocked though)...

All the ones I had didnt like 4 ghz, while the 3 prescotts I had did ( 1 3.0 ghz, one 3.2 ghz and one 3.4 ghz), on a borrowed cooler I got 5 ghz out of one on a p4c800-e deluxe, the 2 others all went on 4ghz for ages, never killed a prescott yet.
The ''barley cope'' is nonesence, even the later 478 revision copper core intel stock coolers kept the cpu's below 50 C load @ stock speeds, wich gave you 25 C to play with.
Why do you give warranty to clients messing with the pc anyhow, their own fault if they couldn't mount a cooler and use a proper cooler, warranty should drop immediatly after even the smallest hardware change?

Although the northwoods are fine on mild overclocks, they dont respond well to 0.2 v + above the stock voltage, scotts don't mind if kept @ normall temps.

 

[Justintime]

Problems were fixed at their expense I've seen many OEM configs and stuff done by RM that had later speed NWs and they were hot, believe me. I don't disagree that the Prescott, once properly cooled could probably wayy outclock a Northwood, they were intended to after all with the longer pipes and higher latencies but the leakage issues and resulting power consumption were too bad for any feasible cpus over 4Ghz. Were those cpus all in one motherboard? maybe theres where your issue lies. The clients did'nt actually do a bad job of installation, its just the boards could'nt cope with the heat generated and power demand of the Prescotts, stock coolers and no overclocking mind you. The SFF units were actually Prescott certified but still suffered, this was for an internet cafe i was supposed to sort out only the Network and Wifi, the guy was totally pee'd off as to the amount of deaths he was having over the summer, either last yr or yr before of 11 units 7 had Prescotts 3Ghz and 4 had Northwood 2.8Ghz cpus. You could tell which one had which cpu just by the noise The prescott units roared to full rpm after opening a webpage while the NW units stayed quiet 24/7. I think i had to sort out 4 boards and 1 psu there. Advised to drop the Prescotts on Ebay and use the dosh to get some more Northwoods. This is why i hate Prescotts. Even though the cpus themselves might be able to take a heating, its not good for the other components in the box such as psu and mobo in the long run. Also, you'd have to clock them substantially higher than their Northwood counterparts to see actual gains, of the few Prescotts i had i got one to 4.4Ghz on Phase when i was into serious o'cin and even my old 533FSB NON HT 2.8 @ 3.86Ghz 1.6v beat it in quite a few things, sad.

 

[sargatanas]

Goumet, gave you a bell on msn as i might be able to help you out here mate.

 

[snowdog]

Yeah it's a shame only specificly coded stuff were faster on scotts, prescotts would be better if they were just using less power, and as a result, clocked way higher, ie stock speeds from 3.4 (northwood top) upto 6 ghz...
Still imo the chance of frying a northy due to overclocking is more than frying a scott, because northy's just dislike higher temps and volts, more as scotts, and chanse to get a high clocking scott, is higher than a high clocking NW, as in the OP, he's on Water cooling, so temps and noise shouldn't be a problem, hence my recommendation for a scott...

 

[WJA96]

ASRock 775i65PE Motherboard - about £30 with a 2140 (£50) or 2160 (£60) and all your other existing bits and pieces and you shouldn't even have to reload the drivers as the chipsets are the same.

Job's a good 'un.