Best processor for an average machine

[Vertigo]

So you were considering buying a slower older chip?

Give me strength! You really need to learn to read. I said that IF the 945 turned out to be faster then I'd consider going with that rather than the E6300. The fact that the E6300 turns out to be quicker is utterly irrelevant, I was postulating a course of action in the event that the 945 had been quicker. At the time I made this comment I didn't yet know which was faster.

I had already stated the conroe was faster but you didn't believe.

All you'd stated up to that point was "simple answer is its faster than all the rest with a moderate overclock" which I was unprepared to accept without supporting stats and you also mentioned overclocking despite my comments on this in the opening post. Is the problem here that you're offended that I didn't "believe" you when you posted unsupported opinion?

You believe a review on the internet but not first hand experience coming from someone who has had both AMD and 900 series cpu's in the past?

I believe comprehensive reviews with figures I can look at to draw comparisons over your unsubstantiated comments, yes. That you find this surprising amazes me. As for your "first hand" experience, have you benchmarked an E6300 at stock speeds? If so post the results otherwise your "experience" isn't relevant.

Your arguement is niether reasoned or very well put.You refuse to take advice from people that clearly know more than you

LMAO! The entire point has just flown straight over your head, hasn't it?

To summarise for the umpteenth time, it may well be that you know more than I do on this subject but unless you post facts and figures to substantiate your claims how am I supposed to know whether you're speaking from a genuine position of authority or just spouting hype and making assumptions?.

and have actually compared conroe against other cpu's available in real world tests.

Well from what you've said so far the only Conroe you've done any comparisons with is your E6600, which isn't what I'm asking about.

At stock of 2.4ghz (no overclocking) my E6600 was faster than my opty 170 running at the speed of the FX 62 by a staggering 9 seconds in 1mb super PI.

And how is this in any way relevant to my original question regarding the E6300? As the E6300 has half the cache, you can't even extrapolate results from the E6600.

I have posted screenies of my conroe showing how much faster it is.These are not opinions this is hard fact photo evidence.I really dont see what else you need.

Maybe something relevant to the E6300 processor I'm talking about, as others have posted.

 

[Tooks]

Vertigo1, why are you wasting your time arguing?! I admire you trying to pierce the 'Conroe fog', but I can't believe the amount of effort that goes into petty arguing and points scoring on this site!

The facts are that only a handful of folks have E6300 conroes at the moment, and ES versions at that probably.

The best course of action I think would be to wait a couple of weeks until the E6300's are out and in the hands of people, and look at all of the postings that will undoubtedly flood this site! (You still need to be aware of folks justifying their purchase though!)

To try and help with your original question though, I've just purchased a Pentium D940 to replace my D805. For an average machine, (which I think mine probably is!), I don't think you can go wrong with either chip. Yes, the 940 is quicker in the benchmarks I've run vs the 805 (approx 10 to 20% faster depending on the benchmark - all at stock by the way) but in the real world of browsing, downloading, gaming, photo editing and a little encoding, I haven't noticed any differences. A few seconds here and there, but nothing that's going to change my life anyway!

Having said all that, and depending on your existing setup (I can't remember what that was now, the original post is so far distant in my memory after reading all of the arguing!) an X23800 is probably quicker in the benchmarking arena.

I'd say get the cheapest you can, and just calm down. You're only choosing a computer chip you know! Peace out!

 

[UKTopGun]

Looking at it, the performance of the 3800+ and the 6300 is about the same per £ but the 6300 has other advantages such as lower power consumption and more overclocking headroom.

How do you work that out?

The E6300 is just under £140 Retail (if you look around) and the X2 3800+ is £120 so for £20 more you have got a X2 4600+ nearly X2 5000+ beater.

 

[t31os]

I'm with the OP on this one.

If you guys wanna help him, then provide him the proper facts to begin with. Wether that be in the form of a URL, an image or some personal experience.

This thread has turned into an argument for the OP simply trying to get the answers he originally asked for.

I read the forum proberly more often then the OP, but i don't personally remember silly little facts like which members have conroes and know how fast they are.

He's been fairly reasonable all through-out the thread, i'm quite surprised its not threads like this that turn people away from the community, i know its slowly swaying me everytime i see groups of experienced/fanboy users whichever it be, grouping together and giving a poster a hard time because he's simply after the facts.

If you choose to add a comment to a thread, then its up to you to supply sufficient information in your post so assumptions are not made.

"Conroe end of" - is fanboyism in the eyes of anyone who doesnt keep tabs on who's who around here.

I'm also looking at Conroe, and i've been watching all the conroe related threads to also determine wether they really are that great. So far i've concluded they are the best bang for buck CPU by far, but to justify £150 on a cpu when you only need a low end CPU, thats another thing, i stand by the OP in trying to get a true answer to his quarms.

 

[easyrider]

The fact that the E6300 turns out to be quicker is utterly irrelevant,

LMAO

Is the problem here that you're offended that I didn't "believe" you when you posted unsupported opinion?

Use the search function on this very forum for K.I.T.T.S analysis of his 6300.
I do not have a problem,you seem to have a problem accepting facts and searching for them.Then knock people who offer geniune input.

I believe comprehensive reviews with figures I can look at to draw comparisons over your unsubstantiated comments, yes. That you find this surprising amazes me. As for your "first hand" experience, have you benchmarked an E6300 at stock speeds? If so post the results otherwise your "experience" isn't relevant.

I don't care what you believe anymore,Your posts are tedious and dont mean anything other than trying to raise arguements for the sake of it.

No doubt you will post again saying "give me hard evidence,give me supported claims"

I tell you what, find out for yourself its easy the data is there you just need to look for it.

 

[Raikiri]

How do you work that out?

The E6300 is just under £140 Retail (if you look around) and the X2 3800+ is £120 so for £20 more you have got a X2 4600+ nearly X2 5000+ beater.

The x2 3800+ is £117, the 6300 is £140

x2 3800+ = 1 point per £1
6300 = 0.94 points per £1

The AMD is actually slightly better value, so there

And this is the average over a lot of diferent programs with the 820 being a baseline

 

[Witcher]

The x2 3800+ is £117, the 6300 is £140

x2 3800+ = 1 point per £1
6300 = 0.94 points per £1

The AMD is actually slightly better value, so there

And this is the average over a lot of different programs with the 820 being a baseline

A useful analysis, you also have to factor in the cost of the motherboard, the RAM etc.

I see a lot of cheap mobo recommendations for Conroe but very few reviews of how they actually perform with the new chip. To get best value from a cheap CPU you often need better tech.

I am with the poster who says wait to see some actual consumer results across a wide range of the CPU's and motherboards (and if that makes me a troll/fanboy/ ignorant then flame away, I am pretty new here and an easy target).

Conroe looks the best option but very few people have retail versions of the mainstream CPU's and there are loads of new motherboards on the way which could change the picture entirely. I should think in a couple of months time the best bang for buck will be Conroe (talking about an entire system not the pure cost of the processor) but that's not exactly the case now if you don't want to spend huge amounts. For clarity I couldn't care who makes the CPU in my machine, I just want the best value. We are at such an early stage of Conroe release that you can find reviews set up in a myriad of ways that make the choice (price v performance) wise currently closer than I think it will be long term.

 

[Raikiri]

Yep, there are cheap conroe boards from £35-£45 but these use basic ATi or VIA chipsets and do not perform as well, there is a 945 based board made by asrock available for £55-60 though which seems like a very good value board. Also because of the release of AM2 both major companies use DDR2, this has resulted in price drops for DDR2 and slight rises for DDR.

You could build a conroe system with good performance for about £500:

Asrock 945 board - £60
Core 2 duo 6300 - £140
80gb HD - £30
2gb G.Skill DDR2 - £117
Sonata 2 case with PSU - £65
7600GT - £100

Or an X2 based system for a little less, around £30 cheaper if you buy a low end Nforce AM2 board. But then the price/performance diference is in favour of the Conroe system by a small margin.

 

[Witcher]

True and thanks for that spec idea, its very interesting to see what good value one can get from a comparatively small layout of cash. £30 isn't that big a difference really when you look at the stats.

I have a decent system but am thinking of going Conroe when a wider range of motherboards becomes available. AMD2 really only makes sense longer term if they really crush their prices even further. If I was building today to replace a decent system I am not sure what I'd do (and indeed whether it would be worth it).

 

[pcoltrane]

Tbh, I think you won't go too far wrong with any of those dual core chips. They're all going to be more than quick enough for everything you throw at it for quite some time (unless you are a hardcore ubergamer or convert 10 videos a day)

Personally, my pick would be between the X2 or the Conroe purely for the low power consumption. You can cool either of them silently with a decent aftermarket cooler.

As for the conroe vs X2 argument ... lets face it, they are both quick chips and sure maybe the 6300 does have the edge in performance, but what may be more important is the board features etc that you can get for the same price. There are a lots of really decent full featured boards (6100 and 6150 chipset or others) for £40-50 on AM2. It seems the ASRock is the only budget board for the conoe, so I'd say its worth making sure it has all the features you'd want and that you won't miss any that you can get for the same budget on AM2.

Whichever ticks all the boxes at the lowest price is the one to go for I think

 

[-|ScottFree|-]

I think the OP like others are a little perplexed and confused into the reason why the Conroe like an E6600 running @ 2.4Ghz is faster than a P4 running at 3.6Ghz and the AMD FX62 @ 2.6Ghz

I am aware that he never mentioned the E6600 but the E6300, but there are others like myself that have been a little confused by the whole thing.

Having googled I think I know a little more about the reason behind that. The new Core micro architecture works differently to the older Netburst architecture, allowing more information to be processed per cycle.

Have a read of the link below and you will understand why the Conroe is so sort after by enthusiasts.

Also the use of the term fanboy seems to be used in the wrong context and overused by many on this forum. I have had Pentiums and AMD's. I have had NVIDIA and ATI. I have been referred to as a fan boy on occasions as I have been fervent about the performance of the equipment that had in my machine at the time. Enthusiasts are not fanboys, if Matrox brought out a card that doubled the performance of the current crop of cards, there would be people falling over themselves to get out there credit cards and buy. Not fanboyism but excitement from a community that loves new PC tech!!!


Linky

 

[t31os]

LMAO



Use the search function on this very forum for K.I.T.T.S analysis of his 6300.
I do not have a problem,you seem to have a problem accepting facts and searching for them.Then knock people who offer geniune input.



I don't care what you believe anymore,Your posts are tedious and dont mean anything other than trying to raise arguements for the sake of it.

No doubt you will post again saying "give me hard evidence,give me supported claims"

I tell you what, find out for yourself its easy the data is there you just need to look for it.

He wasnt not accepting facts, he wasnt getting any FACTS to begin with, where as now you can see links and information in the thread.

BTW, check the dictionary i think your not quite sure what a FACT actually is.

The thread seems to of turned round now and we do have some actual relevant and good sources information to follow. Exactly what the OP was after to begin with.

 

[Vertigo]

Thanks for the support t31os and also thanks to those that have posted facts, figures and links for me to check out.

As for those that are incapable of reading and understanding basic English, whatever. I really can't be bothered any more. The thread has (finally) served its purpose. I'm out of here.

 

[t31os]

Well your post made perfect sense to me, and i'm pretty much looking for the same information you are, except i proberly have more time to research myself, so i totally understand where you're coming from dude.

I have a buddy switching to conroe soon though (his gaming pc is now in bits and doesnt work), so he's boringly listening to the rest of us on TS yabber crap while we battle it out on BF2 or whatever else we decide to play.

So fortunately i can use him as a measurement of how good the new stuff is, on top of my own personal research.

He's getting the 6600 with the intention of mounting a scythe ninja and hitting as close as he can to the extreme speeds. Although if i ever considered a conroe, about the only one i can stretch to is the 6300 after just spending god knows how much on the last upgrades. All the same, i think i could hit above 6600 on a 6300 quite easily, so a few benchies on his stock 6600 should give me a near estimate of performance.

 

[-|ScottFree|-]

I dont there is any doubt that the 6300 will **** above the 6600 stock speeds. There are reports of people getting well over 3.Ghz. Just ensure you get a board that will support the overclocking of the FSB to maximise your gains.

 

[easyrider]

Thanks for the support t31os and also thanks to those that have posted facts, figures and links for me to check out.

As for those that are incapable of reading and understanding basic English, whatever. I really can't be bothered any more. The thread has (finally) served its purpose. I'm out of here.

Good Grief!

Just type into google E6300 benchmarks

Gets you http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-e6300.html

Plus hundreds of links to information available.

Happy now?

sheesh!

 

[Witcher]

Perhaps instead of random google searches he wanted considered views from people who could talk in detail, information provided by Raikiri etc. Anyone can google anything and half the links will be as well researched and constructed as the collective works of a baboon.

 

[easyrider]

Perhaps instead of random google searches he wanted considered views from people who could talk in detail, information provided by Raikiri etc. Anyone can google anything and half the links will be as well researched and constructed as the collective works of a baboon.

That link offers what the OP asked informed facts and figures.
How much more detail does one need?

Its faster than the 945 etc...

 

[FreeStream]

Well im sorry, how about you take it from people who have spent months looking at them, seen pretty much all the reviews, results and personal usage.

Its not like we are out to get you a **** PC.

From the list in the OP, when I first saw it I thought Conroe.

So we have finally decided Conroe is the best chip atm?

 

[easyrider]

Well im sorry, how about you take it from people who have spent months looking at them, seen pretty much all the reviews, results and personal usage.

Its not like we are out to get you a **** PC.

From the list in the OP, when I first saw it I thought Conroe.

So we have finally decided Conroe is the best chip atm?

Have to agree with you concorde.

We have spent months looking at reviews doing research etc.. and when we offer our views based on doing this research its not good enough......


Then we get threads that regurgitate reviews from sites we have already read!