Best Router that money can buy.

SMN · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:02

Now whos not very good at their job you dummy! The Nexus 7000's are the new daddys which support all layer functionality (yes, that means layer 3 also).

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/swi...onfiguration/guide/l3_overview.html#wp1093675

Here you will see a list of ROUTING protocols we support on the Nexus 7000 within its operating system "NxOS". All 4506's, and 6509's also support the majority of routing protocols, as do access switches such as the 3750. The old stereotypical "router" is dying the death and has been for a good while now.

Anymore for anymore?

paradigm · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:04

Just because a device (Such as the 3750G-48TS-1U on my desk) supports basic routing functions and protocols, doesn't mean that it is a router in the true sense.

DJMK4 · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:06

Surely thats classed as a layer 3 switch though and not a router?

paradigm · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:06

DJMK4 said:
Surely thats classed as a layer 3 switch though and not a router?

Bingo.

We do all out basic inter-vlan routing on the layer 3 switches we have, but I'd still never class one as a router.

SMN · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:08

paradigm said:
Just because a device (Such as the 3750G-48TS-1U on my desk) supports basic routing functions and protocols, doesn't mean that it is a router in the true sense.

So, because something routes and acts as a router, but someone told you "oh yeah thats a switch that is" you dont think its a router?

For all intents and purposes, it is a router with lots of ethernet ports.

benftl · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:10

But seriously, the WRT610n is the best router in the world ever, and it has a little CISCO logo on it so I can feel all smug and stuff :cool:

SMN · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:10

DJMK4 said:
Surely thats classed as a layer 3 switch though and not a router?

You say tomato i say tomato.

If you are switching packets at layer 3 you are for all intents and purposes routing them. I think Cisco classify them all now as "Data center switches", but they are essentials routers (ospf, bgp, etc etc etc).

paradigm · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:12

Still no.

A router is purely a layer 3 device, it has no switching capabilities. Likewise a switch is a layer 2 device that has no layer 3 capabilities.

Stating "for all intents and purposes" all you are doing is trying to simplify a subject that isn't simple. "For all intents and purposes, an articulated truck is a large car", but you'd never actually say it, or market a truck as a car, even if they can perform the same tasks.

SMN said:
If you are switching packets at layer 3.

You do not "switch" at layer 3.

Even a layer 3 switch will be physically "switching" at layer 2 using its ASICs.

TrX · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:15

SMN said:
The Nexus 7000's are the new daddys which support all layer functionality (yes, that means layer 3 also).

You'd still need all XL modules in a VDC to have enough TCAM table space for a global BGP routing table of 220,000+ routes wouldn't you? Think it's less than 100,000 by default without the XL modules.

//TrX

DRZ · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:16

Why are we discussing Netgears and even Cisco midrange stuff here when talking about the BEST router in the world?

Why arent we discussing CRS-1 and Juniper T1600s? Why is there no Nortel discussion etc?

SMN · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:18

Ok, lets take this a different way (moving away from your 10 year old views on networking for a while).

What to you qualifies something as a router? The protocols it uses? The interfaces? If something moves datagrams/packets/whatever you want to call it, beetween IP's then it is routing packets and as such is called a router for mine.

The Nexus 7000 is sold as a "Data center switch", but if it has OSPF instances on it, BGP instances on it, multiple subnets and VLAN's then i dont see how you call it a switch.

Trifid · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:18

DRZ said:
Why are we discussing Netgears and even Cisco midrange stuff here when talking about the BEST router in the world?

Why arent we discussing CRS-1 and Juniper T1600s? Why is there no Nortel discussion etc?

Because that is not what the OP meant when he said best. He doesn't want or need a service provider class router.

There is a difference between a multilayer switch and a router. Part of it is placement and how they do the multilayer switching/routing.

Just because something can route doesn't make it a router. Even the 6509 has its ports in routed state by default but is still considered a switch.

paradigm · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:22

SMN said:
The Nexus 7000 is sold as a "Data center switch", but if it has OSPF instances on it, BGP instances on it, multiple subnets and VLAN's then i dont see how you call it a switch.

Does it switch?

It's a switch.

DRZ · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:22

Trifid said:
Because that is not what the OP meant when he said best. He doesn't want or need a service provider class router.

There is a difference between a multilayer switch and a router. Part of it is placement and how they do the multilayer switching/routing.

Just because something can route doesn't make it a router. Even the 6509 has its ports in routed state by default but is still considered a switch.

Really? He said the "best money can buy". That generally alludes to the cream of the crop, the very very best there is on the market. A PC running PFsense or a DG834GT wouldnt even cross my mind in that context...

TrX · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:28

I'm sure there's probably some custom ASIC's somewhere in a shoddy looking room that routes for a particular reason and ****es all over anything you can 'buy', so maybe we should just look at the weather ;P

//TrX

DRZ said:
Why are we discussing Netgears and even Cisco midrange stuff here when talking about the BEST router in the world?

Why arent we discussing CRS-1 and Juniper T1600s? Why is there no Nortel discussion etc?

TrX · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:31

TrX said:
I'm sure there's probably some custom ASIC's somewhere in a shoddy looking room that routes for a particular reason and ****es all over anything you can 'buy', so maybe we should just look at the weather ;P

//TrX

... And the CRS-3 is out now

benftl · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:31

I assume that the OP is asking what the best consumer router might be, but I suppose the point is he should have made it clear if he means consumer or other.

SO UNTIL HE REPLIES FOR CLARIFICATION JUST STFU FFS

TrX · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:34

benftl said:
I assume that the OP is asking what the best consumer router might be, but I suppose the point is he should have made it clear if he means consumer or other.

SO UNTIL HE REPLIES FOR CLARIFICATION JUST STFU FFS

lol, don't feed the trolls ;P

SMN · 6 Aug 2010 at 13:35

Just get a WRT54G and run Tomato on it. Job sorted

Also, a -1 for Draytek stuff, especially their Vigor 2820/n devices. I had so much trouble with those things - the guy even told me "ah yes, the new firmware kills the wireless function on the new wireless routers, and we dont have a fix for it yet.." - granted that was nearly 18 months ago.