Better to get lcd or plasma?

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Since tube (CRT) technology has been superseded by flat screen TVs, there are really only two TV technologies available right now, and these are Plasma and LCD. They are two competing technologies, each with their advantages and disadvantages. Note that LED TVs are LCD TVs with LED back or edge lighting.
Both Plasma and LCD technologies manage to produce high quality images when correctly manufactured and set up within the home.

Plasma is a self-emitting technology meaning it creates its own light, very much like the old CRT TVs. This helps the technology produce realistic blacks in the picture.
LCD technology uses a backlight which is usually a strip of lights (LED lights in 'LED TVs') to the side or back of the screen. Because this light shines through the LCD panel (which opens pixels to allow light through) it is more difficult for LCDs to produce a deep black on screen at the same time as showing shadow detail.
This approach also means that the amount of light shown across the LCD screen is not uniform and can show pools (or cones) of light spill on screen.
Plasma on the other hand, being self-illuminating, can achieve far more consistent light uniformity.
Because of the image strong points, Plasma TVs have found a large fan base with movie enthusiasts for displaying pictures that are accurate and natural.

When to choose a Plasma TV?

Choose Plasma when picture quality is paramount. Plasmas in almost all cases are able to produce images that have rich deep blacks with good shadow detail, excellent motion resolution and accurate colours - so are often the first choice for the discerning viewer.
Choose Plasma when you want a screen larger than 40 inches. Plasma does not come in sizes smaller than this, so in those cases where you want a smaller screen your only choice at this time is LCD. Plasma is available in sizes up to 152 inches, with the most popular sizes being 42 and 50 inches.
If you have a room where you can control the lighting, or amount of light that comes into the room then Plasma technology is for you. Because of how the technology works it is much better suited than LCD to watching movies in dimmed conditions. An LCD in the same conditions is likely to have lighter blacks and worse screen uniformity because it uses a backlight. Since Plasmas are made from glass (two sheets of glass bonded together with a vacuum containing gas), they may not work as well as LCD in bright conditions. This has been an issue in the past with light hitting a Plasma screen and washing the image out. Most new Plasma models are fitted with a filter that rejects ambient light and stops the image from being washed out. However, Plasma is not as bright as LCD and in some cases where you want a screen in a bright room such as a conservatory or very open room, you may find that LCD will give you a more consistent picture. It has to be noted that a TV in such a room will never give you the best possible image quality and will be a compromise. The amount of light in the room where you use your TV will influence how good the picture is.
Choose Plasma when you need a wide viewing angle. When you have people sitting further off to the side of the TV, Plasma is preferable since its picture does not degrade. An LCD TV's picture, on the other hand, looks worse the further to the side of the TV (or 'off axis') you sit.
Choose Plasma where you are going to watch a lot of sports or fast moving images. Amongst Plasma's strengths is motion resolution where images do not smear or blur as soon as the action on screen speeds up. This also means that, unlike LCD, technically Plasma does not need motion interpolation systems to help produce natural motion. Typical Plasma models will resolve up to 1080 lines of information compared to an average of 300-400 lines on an LCD or LED LCD TV. (Note there are some exceptions to this with certain individual models).
The vast majority of Plasma screens also have low input lag which means that those who like to play video games on their TVs will benefit in most cases with Plasma over LCD.

Common misconceptions about Plasma 're-gassing', lifespan, screen burn and more.

Plasmas do use gas, but it never escapes and they never require 're-gassing'. Anyone telling you that Plasmas need re-gassing is spreading an urban myth. This is still a favourite tactic with many sales staff and is completely wrong.
Both Plasmas and LCDs have a good lifespan. Some manufacturers quote lifespans of 100,000 hours, which at 8 hours per day is 34 years. In other words you will probably replace your TV before it gets close to half its lifespan.
Screen burn is another term used by sales staff who may try to push a customer towards LCD (or LED) instead of Plasma. Screen burn is more or less a thing of the past and will only ever happen if the Plasma TV is abused, i.e. used in dynamic mode with contrast up full and left on a TV channel with bright logos for a few days. Most modern Plasma screens can stand up to hours of gaming or news channel viewing if done so with appropriate picture settings and for normal periods of time.
Image retention is usually mistaken for screen burn but is a natural by-product of Plasma technology and is not permanent. It is usually seen if the TV is used for a few hours of gaming or news channel viewing where there are static images on screen. After changing from gaming or the news channel, there are graphics or text boxes still seen as a faint 'ghost' over the picture. Image retention usually disappears within a few minutes. The severity of the problem does vary from manufacturer to manufacturer with the effect disappearing from most modern screens within a few minutes. The vast majority of people never notice image retention.
Plasma TVs do not produce a softer image than LCD TVs. Both will show HD images with the same clarity. Any differences come down to other factors like added sharpness by the video processing of the TV.
Although several TV manufacturers like Sony, Hitachi, Philips and Toshiba have abandoned Plasma technology, others like Panasonic, Samsung and LG continue to develop it. Plasma is by no means a dying technology. Many users and professionals still regard Plasma as the technology for critical viewing.
Plasma TVs are not particularly power hungry if they are set up correctly. They do generally use more power than LCDs, but because the technology is self-illuminating it means that power function is never close to the maximum rated output for any length of time, whereas LCD stays at the same level when switched on (as the backlight is usually constant). Correct calibration can reduce power consumption by up to 50% in some cases (THX research, 2009).

Plasma TV prices
Plasma has often been seen as a premium technology because it is available in screen sizes over 40 inches and not in smaller sizes. It is also more expensive to produce and manufacture and has to be built in large numbers. However, as production techniques from manufacturers like Panasonic have improved, this has allowed Plasma to be more affordable to the mass market. With the introduction of LED Backlit LCD TVs which command a price premium for being slim, Plasma has become even more cost effective in performance and price terms. A quality Plasma screen these days costs the same or even less than a competing LED LCD model.

Black levels on Plasma TVs
Black levels are considered by many to be a strong point of any TV. In all cases this must also mean that shadow detail (details just above absolute black) must also be seen. To obtain a black that doesn't look grey on screen, some TVs such as LCDs and some low end Plasmas can show blacks that appear black, but which cover over the shadow detail (an effect referred to as clipping). Some LCD and LED LCDs also add in a technique called global dimming where the backlight is switched off or dimmed down to try and create black. Global dimming affects the whole screen. Plasma, because it is self-illuminating, can in most cases (when set up correctly) achieve a black level which looks natural and shows the correct amount of shadow detail. It also means that mixed scenes (an image with very dark areas along with some bright areas) look more natural on a Plasma screen than on an LCD.

Better motion on Plasma TVs
Plasma technology handles motion very well and it is a plus point of the technology as it was designed for showing moving images. There is usually no need to add motion processing to Plasma screens like there is for LCD models. It is true that some recent LCD and LCD LED TVs have improved their motion response with fast moving images, but in this area Plasma is usually still better.


In conclusion
If you want a natural image with accurate colour, good black levels and excellent motion resolution, and your viewing conditions are appropriate, go for Plasma.
As always, there is no such thing as a perfect TV and what will suit you is determined by your viewing environment, budget and the type of material you want to view on your TV. We would always recommend that you do some research and demo the models you think will suit your needs before you spend your hard earned money
 
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Exactly, A.K.A Plasma will be dwindled out in favour of Backlit LED TV's eventually.
I agree with the features you say are better on Plasma but imo for better future proofing LED is/will be the better technology.

Also like I said, its also down to asthetics, if you want a nice slim line, lightweight TV, get LED. If weight, depth or bezel size is not an issue then get a Plasma or LCD.

You're buying a TV, it has no upgradability and all features currently available come on both technologies; buy the best available now.

So what if all plasma production stops tomorrow? In ideal conditions, LCD does not produce as good an image and it will take time for any new technologies to be available/affordable.

Unless you have a specific reason, go plasma IMO. Something like the LG 50PK350 would be ideal :)
 
As said above also, it depends what you watch and what you want.

I dont watch football so 'fast moving images' as they call it dont bother me. I watch a lot of movies and play games and although Bluray Avatar is over used always in this sort of debate, it does look damn awesome on my Backlit LED TV. BUT, I also wanted a slim, 'asthetically pleasing' TV that dosent suffer from screen burn.

The best judge of a TV's picture quality is the persons eyes looking at it, hell some people I know cant see the difference between SD and HD lol!

Would I buy a Plasma? No.
 
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I also wanted a slim, 'asthetically pleasing' TV that dosent suffer from screen burn.

Would I buy a Plasma? No.

plasmas do not suffer from screen burn,unless your were to have sky news on for around 3-4 days solid or if your were to connect your pc to it and leave it on for around 3-4 days 27/7 without turning the screen off
 
unless you're planning to bench press it weight is a bit irrelevant...

Not when it comes to deciding how/ where you are goig to mount it its not. I have a cantilver stand that has been known to lean to an alarming degree whenloaded close to its max weight limit.

It is one of the more minor points but there are good reasons to buy a light and thin TV.

Given that some Plasmas can use THREE!! times as much power as an LED backlight LCD (see link below for an example) than this is another reason to consider an LED backlight LCD TV. Given that I have a fairly bright living room the balance was well swung towards getting one instead of a plasma. Of course there are good resons that some people may choose a Plasma over an LCD TV but for most people I would contend that LCD technology is the more suitable technology for general use in the average living room which is why I suspect they sell more these days.

http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/tv-power-efficiency/
 
To get an idea of how much more a Plasma might cost you a year I have done some calcs.

Assuming LED LCD = 101w and same size plasma = 301w (as per link)
ie 200w difference and assuming you are paying 12p per Kw/h and the TV is on for an average of five hours a day you would save

£43.80 a year, given that I intend to keep my TV for at least five years thats nearly £220 less that I might have to pay vs a similar Plasma

For ref my Samsung 55" LED LCD uses about 101w in general use

Although to be fair a roughly comparable Plasma the Panasonic TXP55VT30B is rated to use 222w in general use so annual difference would be about £20 so it pays to do your homework
 
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As said above also, it depends what you watch and what you want.

I dont watch football so 'fast moving images' as they call it dont bother me. I watch a lot of movies and play games and although Bluray Avatar is over used always in this sort of debate, it does look damn awesome on my Backlit LED TV. BUT, I also wanted a slim, 'asthetically pleasing' TV that dosent suffer from screen burn.

The best judge of a TV's picture quality is the persons eyes looking at it, hell some people I know cant see the difference between SD and HD lol!

Would I buy a Plasma? No.

How slim is your tv ? Only asking as the 50" plasma i've got in my bedroom is only 52.4 mm deep with a 30mm Razor Frame.

Also sd content looks way better on my plasma than on my lcd.
 
I've read countless debates about this and when friends and family ask me now all I tell them is......go into a shop, see what YOU think looks best, and buy that one. I've given up telling people about black levels, motion blur etc, just buy what you like watching.
 
Depends what your main use is for it... If for console or PC gaming and you are not willing to wait the breakin period for a plasma and the care needed not to get screen burn in then get a LCD.. BUT if you love image quality and it will be used carefully and you enjoy movies get a Plasma... I have a Plasma and game on it too but with care and not for long periods. LCD also for a bright room and if you dont really watch in the dark or dimmed room. Check some AVforums and AVSforums.. will give you a better idea... For me Plasma is still the best but im careful with them and dont abuse them and never had a single problem with 2 Plasma sets I have owned.

?? I have two Panasonic top of the line Plasma's, both of which see copious amounts of gaming, thanks to my two young boys.. No burn in whatsoever. The pixel orbiter has seen the end of burn in as far as I'm concerned.

Plasma all the way for me !!! Motion panning on an LCD is its biggest downfall for me. As for energy costs we are talking a couple of quid per month. MAX.
 
?? I have two Panasonic top of the line Plasma's, both of which see copious amounts of gaming, thanks to my two young boys.. No burn in whatsoever. The pixel orbiter has seen the end of burn in as far as I'm concerned.

Plasma all the way for me !!! Motion panning on an LCD is its biggest downfall for me. As for energy costs we are talking a couple of quid per month. MAX.

As per my above example around a couple of pounds a month would be towards the lower end of the difference and depending on make/model and usage the cost could be double that.

The facts are simple: - Plasma use between two to three times as much power when compared with a similar LED LCD, which can hardly be ignored when comparing the two techs. Or course as stated there are good reasons to buy a Plasma and people should do their research and buy what they think is best for themselves
 
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Plasma's now are not power hungry another myth like they need re-gasing in my opinion.... Where are you getting this information from CNET.. ? Really use more sites and don't trust everything you read on such sites like CNET, half their reviews are a bad joke, use sites like AVforums or AVSforums. All new plasma NeoPDP screens have reduced power compared to old plasma technology.. Also plasma screens use power as required to create the image, LCD has to use the same power at all times, unless it's the LED type that can turn zones on and off.

Check this out..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrU4pKuBWm0


2 to 3 times more power is an insame figure... and i'm 100% sure you are reading very outdated information or they are using insane settings that no normal person would or could watch without going blind, calibrate both screens then test power use with varied types of content, you will be very surprised at the end (I did this with my brothers Samsung backlit LED 46" and my Panasonic plasma 50" G20, we were both shocked when we stuck the power meter on both sets, try it for yourself). People spreading bad information put many people off buying a screen that they liked because they thought it cost 2 or 3 times more to run and reality is sometimes its cheaper to have a plasma depending on the content you watch on it. My kid brother is one of these people that fell for the lines of Plasma eats a lot more electricity.. Guess what his next TV update is ? Plasma ....... He tried gaming on my plasma and he's hooked even with a great screen he has..
 
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Originally Posted by GIBURROWS View Post
Plasma also gives off less heat than most LCDs!

lol no they really dont.

You sure James ? he is right also, some LCD screens do give off more heat then some plasma screens... A CCFL screen at my parents house can give you a suntan while sat near it, it runs that hot... My Plasma which is a screen larger then the CCFL they have is cooler to the touch after running for a few hours and I don't feel the heat coming off it when near it. Also my kid brother has a LED backlit Samsung, fantastic screen but when we sit near it and game we feel the heat coming off it too.

Again another myth that needs to be killed off is they run hot.. hot compared to what ? if you are comparing to LED or LCD you better get a thermometer and prove it.. ;).. Yes old generation plasma screens did run very hot and used a lot of power that is the reason for the heat the power use, now plasmas are very good at power use and heat output.
 
unless you're planning to bench press it weight is a bit irrelevant...

Agree :D... Also Plasma will always be heavier then LCD due to all Plasma screens are made from glass, LCD/LED are made from a plastic and may have glass added on the outside to make it look like a one sheet design or to make the screen glossy.

Also plasma screens have really come down in weight and screen depth over the years as many plasma owners will tell you...
 
Originally Posted by GIBURROWS View Post
Plasma also gives off less heat than most LCDs!



You sure James ? he is right also, some LCD screens do give off more heat then some plasma screens... A CCFL screen at my parents house can give you a suntan while sat near it, it runs that hot... My Plasma which is a screen larger then the CCFL they have is cooler to the touch after running for a few hours and I don't feel the heat coming off it when near it. Also my kid brother has a LED backlit Samsung, fantastic screen but when we sit near it and game we feel the heat coming off it too.

Again another myth that needs to be killed off is they run hot.. hot compared to what ? if you are comparing to LED or LCD you better get a thermometer and prove it.. ;).. Yes old generation plasma screens did run very hot and used a lot of power that is the reason for the heat the power use, now plasmas are very good at power use and heat output.
comparing an unusually hot running lcd (to the point of being faulty.....sun tan?) with an efficient plasma perhaps isnt quite fair, and certainly doesn't prove that plamsas give off less heat than most lcds. Some lcd's and led's (few) may run hotter than some plasma's but most dont. this is why plasma's still require cooling fans and I can't say i've seen many led sets with them. The funny thing about cooling fans is that they remove heat from the source - my 50pz80 isnt all that hot to touch either, but boy do we notice it when its been on for a few hours - it heats the room up well.
 
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It's not faulty the LCD, we have 2 of the same panel in the family it just runs hot that model.. Never said they always run cooler the Plasmas then LCD.. The one I have is fanless and a 50" model Panasonic TXP50G20BA Plasma.. Yes the room temp goes up when on but same goes with LCD/LED screens... It just depends on the brand and model you get really how hot it will run. Just was correcting the myth that all Plasmas run hot or hotter then LCD/LED... Which is not true.

Review of my Plasma and it states there is no fans as you will see, proving how much cooler they run now.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1267447473
 
Never said they always run cooler the Plasmas then LCD..

no, you didnt. the guy you said was right did.

GIBURROWS said:
Plasma also gives off less heat than most LCDs!

Review of my Plasma and it states there is no fans as you will see, proving how much cooler they run now.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1267447473

great! the p50vt30 does have fans though. You haven't proven anything other than some lcd's run hot and some plasmas run (comparatively) cool. I think anybody could tell you that :)
 
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Given that some Plasmas can use THREE!! times as much power as an LED backlight LCD (see link below for an example) than this is another reason to consider an LED backlight LCD TV. Given that I have a fairly bright living room the balance was well swung towards getting one instead of a plasma. Of course there are good resons that some people may choose a Plasma over an LCD TV but for most people I would contend that LCD technology is the more suitable technology for general use in the average living room which is why I suspect they sell more these days.

http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/tv-power-efficiency/

not when they are set up propley,i have a pioneer Lx5090 the mesured power draw was 390watts and after i had the set calibrated the power draw droped to 270watts
 
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