Better to have new tyres at the front or at the back?

supermodder · 29 May 2010 at 09:09

surely it depends on the tires? if your putting a set of new cheap and cheerful tyres with a reasonably hard compound on the back and have a set of medium compound ultra grippy tires on the front or vice versa then it doesnt matter because either way you are going to cause yourself problems with under or oversteer.

Joshy · 29 May 2010 at 09:15

[TW]Fox;16645234 said:
On an RWD Bentley?

What?

Admit it: You make the tea, dont you?

Don't be a ****.

The fronts still have to deal with SOLE steering effect, the majority of the weight distribution and the majority of braking effort. This does not suddenly change because the vehicle is Rear Wheel Drive (Or in the case with the majority of cars we deal with, All Wheel Drive).

[TW]Fox · 29 May 2010 at 09:16

Joshy said:
The fronts still have to deal with SOLE steering effect, the majority of the weight distribution and the majority of braking effort. This does not suddenly change because the vehicle is Rear Wheel Drive

Right I see, so you are saying that whether a car is RWD or FWD, its the front tyres that wear the quickest?

markweatherill · 29 May 2010 at 09:17

WhiteCobra said:
This... As it happened to me... Use my dads theory of "chuck em on the back they'll last you longer" when my fronts wore down a bit... Corner + rain = incredible over-steer

I've learnt since then and tyres are changed way before the legal limit... with new always on the back

Hope you learned that corner + rain = a lower 'limit' to drive close to, at, or beyond.

WhiteCobra · 29 May 2010 at 09:21

I have indeed... To be fair i hadn't long passed and had little experience with over steer... I now have learnt to basically point the wheel where i want to go and floor it... But how easily the rear end slipped was insane with the worn wheels on the rear... I've recently taken that corner at the same speed and the car doesn't even show signs of twitching...

Joshy · 29 May 2010 at 09:25

[TW]Fox;16645278 said:
Right I see, so you are saying that whether a car is RWD or FWD, its the front tyres that wear the quickest?

Of course it is not a universal rule. As you know, wear rates can vary drastically dependant of usage, alignment, tyre pressures, etc, but on average the fronts will wear out quicker than rears regardless of driven wheels.

PMKeates · 29 May 2010 at 09:29

Joshy said:
Of course it is not a universal rule. As you know, wear rates can vary drastically dependant of usage, alignment, tyre pressures, etc, but on average the fronts will wear out quicker than rears regardless of driven wheels.

Have you ever owned a RWD car for a reasonable length of time?

[TW]Fox · 29 May 2010 at 09:29

Joshy said:
Of course it is not a universal rule. As you know, wear rates can vary drastically dependant of usage, alignment, tyre pressures, etc, but on average the fronts will wear out quicker than rears regardless of driven wheels.

Do let us know when the front tyres wear quicker than the rears on that new Soarer of yours

Presumably this is the same universal rule as that piffle you posted about running rich? I think you need to pay more attention in class :eek:

Still proof, if it were needed, that simply working in the trade doesnt really give opinions any more weight...

supermodder · 29 May 2010 at 09:33

My friend roy is always wearing out his rear tyres and cant work out why??????
this video will exlain a lot! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej5Y4bRmtXg

NickXX · 29 May 2010 at 09:34

Joshy said:
Of course it is not a universal rule. As you know, wear rates can vary drastically dependant of usage, alignment, tyre pressures, etc, but on average the fronts will wear out quicker than rears regardless of driven wheels.

This has never been the case on my 330d, 318iS or M3.

Fronts have nearly always done twice the mileage of the rears.

Wicksta · 29 May 2010 at 09:57

NickXX said:
This has never been the case on my 330d, 318iS or M3.

Fronts have nearly always done twice the mileage of the rears.

Same for me with my e30 318i, e36 318iS (x2), e36 M3, e46 325ci, e46 318i, Z4, 325i touring and 530i.

Oh, and my Ford Capri 3.0S, Ford Escort 1600 Sport, Ford Escort 1300L, generic Ford Escort mk1 1.6 (x2).

Try owning a RWD car Joshy.

Joshy · 29 May 2010 at 10:01

[TW]Fox;16645311 said:
Still proof, if it were needed, that simply working in the trade doesnt really give opinions any more weight...

Opposed to what? The Experience/Opinion of a at home Used Car expert/BMW Guru?

How many sets of tyres did you do a report on last week then Fox?

Really, how do you have the nerve to question what I see almost every single day? Are you trying to tell me that you know more about the wear trends/patterns of Bentley and Rolls Royce tyres than I do base on how the tyres on your BMW like to wear? Like I said, it can vary dramatically dependant on a range of factors and there is no hard and fast rule, but in our case on average the fronts tend to wear out a fair bit quicker than the rears.

NathanE · 29 May 2010 at 10:07

Joshy said:
Of course it is not a universal rule. As you know, wear rates can vary drastically dependant of usage, alignment, tyre pressures, etc, but on average the fronts will wear out quicker than rears regardless of driven wheels.

No they won't. My front tyres are 3 years old and still almost like new. Whereas I've been through 2 sets of rear tyres in that time.

Gotta love OcUK for the sheer number of armchair experts.

[TW]Fox · 29 May 2010 at 10:11

Joshy said:
How many sets of tyres did you do a report on last week then Fox?

As you are making us very aware, this doesnt neccesarily lead itself to knowledge. Besides how do you know when they were replaced just by reporting on them?

Really, how do you have the nerve to question what I see almost every single day?

It's not really difficult given some of the blinders you come out with.

the fronts tend to wear out a fair bit quicker than the fronts

lol?

Joshy · 29 May 2010 at 10:16

NathanE said:
No they won't. My front tyres are 3 years old and still almost like new. Whereas I've been through 2 sets of rear tyres in that time.

Gotta love OcUK for the sheer number of armchair experts.

If you own an Exige as per your sig care to explain how your experience is relevant on a discussion on the wear patterns of Front Engined, Rear wheel Drive Bentley and Rolls Royce motorcars?

NathanE · 29 May 2010 at 10:18

WhiteCobra said:
I have indeed... To be fair i hadn't long passed and had little experience with over steer... I now have learnt to basically point the wheel where i want to go and floor it... But how easily the rear end slipped was insane with the worn wheels on the rear... I've recently taken that corner at the same speed and the car doesn't even show signs of twitching...

Also a big lol at this whole post.

:eek:

Wicksta · 29 May 2010 at 10:21

Joshy said:
If you own an Exige as per your sig care to explain how your experience is relevant on a discussion on the wear patterns of Front Engined, Rear wheel Drive Bentley and Rolls Royce motorcars?

Unrelated to the post but is the garage you work at near Brentford?

Moeks · 29 May 2010 at 10:22

Company policy to always put the new tyres on the front is a bit like saying it's NHS policy to always replace the arteries on the left side of the heart first

...it's just stupid, it very much depends on what kind of drive train the car has and what the wear levels on the current tyres are like etc.

Joshy · 29 May 2010 at 10:23

[TW]Fox;16645455 said:
It's not really difficult given some of the blinders you come out with.

Blinders like what exactly?

A mix up with Rich/Lean running on Startup (You did exactly the same thing earlier on in this thread) and stating my Company's policy and my personal findings when it comes to tyre wear?

Moeks · 29 May 2010 at 10:26

'Lean' running not leaning. I never saw you say that mind, but I'm pretty sure you mean lean