No idea where firegod is getting his info, but it's wrong. ATI are not making any money and are losing market share just like the CPU division.
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No idea where firegod is getting his info, but it's wrong. ATI are not making any money and are losing market share just like the CPU division.
Link for Q4 07 against Q3 07 market share graphics: http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2008-04/jpr_gfx_mkt_q4_2007.png (Yes short period I know)
CPU wise intel market share 2005 - 80.2%, AMD - 17.8%
In Q4 2007 - Intel - 76.7%, AMD - 23.1%.
So AMD has a rise in market share?
Dug these out too:http://www.itweek.co.uk/computing/news/2207562/amd-loses-77bn & http://www.itweek.co.uk/vnunet/news/2214651/amd-posts-sixth-quarterly-loss
CPU wise intel market share 2005 - 80.2%, AMD - 17.8%
In Q4 2007 - Intel - 76.7%, AMD - 23.1%.
So AMD has a rise in market share?
Dug these out too:http://www.itweek.co.uk/computing/news/2207562/amd-loses-77bn & http://www.itweek.co.uk/vnunet/news/2214651/amd-posts-sixth-quarterly-loss
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no wonder amd is loseing money, they give free processors lol. i've just send my phemon 9850 BE back to amd because it's faulty, and they said they haven't got any phemon 9850 BE in stock yet they will get some within 2 weeks. so they said they will send a Opteron 1218 so i can use the system till they've got stock of the phemon 9850 BE then they will send that, and they said i can keep the Opteron 1218..
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Wasn't too long ago that ATI had 50% of the graphics market with Nvidia having ~47-48%. Wasn't hard for ATI to increase from Q3 to Q4 last year as they had crap GPU's in Q3 and replaced it with the decent 3000 range.
Those CPU figures are miles out. AMD had about 14% market at the end of '07, not 23%. They were at 22-23% a few years ago but those days are long gone.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-intel-processor,5217.html
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Not really. To develop similar CPU's AMD/Intel must spend similar amounts of money on R&D- intel probably spend more because they can! Now if one sells 5 times more than the other but both had similar costs to develop the chips then it's pretty clear that that company is in a better position to make money. Of course there is other issues like yield, size of the chips etc.
would be nice to see AMD come back hard, their development cycles seem hideously out of sync atm and the phenom clearly wasnt up to the task to chipping any decent pieces out of intels armour
intel does need some competition, as that only leads to good things for people like us
intel does need some competition, as that only leads to good things for people like us
However the APAC region is booming.. a lot of regional sales directors have big numbers for APAC to make up for european/US slowdown..
Money doesn't disappear it merely sloshes around the globe..
Also I suspect that there's a lot of reorg going on - that's going to hurt financially too.
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The problem here, is that AMD will do a Northern Rock.
FACT:
Northern Rock were NOT in any trouble what-so-ever.
Some spotty twerp saw that they made wa sligh loss and started some ball rolling about Northern Rock making a loss.
They had made a loss sure... They made a massive profit before that, and a loss before that... Just like everyhting in business, your profits go up and down all the time like a see-saw
This twerp made out the Northern rock were at a loss, they started a panic, and we we in the UK as well as those in the US are all to good at doing, is that we freaked out and panicked like a load of fannies and pulled our money out.
This broke the Northern Rock, this and nothign else.
The only thing that will cost AMD is not their Chips, its not their R&D and its not their marketing, its idiotic twonks like you and like myself, that read up on even worse reviews and assume that AMD are dead and so we go out and buy Intel for our latest System, because we saw that Intel are 4% faster at doing things that we will never need them to do.
If AMD are indeed going down, then we have only ourselves to blame, not AMD.
And guess what will happen guys, if AMD do go down the pan?
Your lovely Intel chip wont cost £100 anymore... No! - it will be back up to where it was before AMD forced them to lower it... £400+
How much was the P4 3.6HT when it came out?
£399 if Im not mistaken?
How much do you think Intel CPUs will be if they do get the market share?
I for one am going AMD for my next main rig no matter what.
FACT:
Northern Rock were NOT in any trouble what-so-ever.
Some spotty twerp saw that they made wa sligh loss and started some ball rolling about Northern Rock making a loss.
They had made a loss sure... They made a massive profit before that, and a loss before that... Just like everyhting in business, your profits go up and down all the time like a see-saw
This twerp made out the Northern rock were at a loss, they started a panic, and we we in the UK as well as those in the US are all to good at doing, is that we freaked out and panicked like a load of fannies and pulled our money out.
This broke the Northern Rock, this and nothign else.
The only thing that will cost AMD is not their Chips, its not their R&D and its not their marketing, its idiotic twonks like you and like myself, that read up on even worse reviews and assume that AMD are dead and so we go out and buy Intel for our latest System, because we saw that Intel are 4% faster at doing things that we will never need them to do.
If AMD are indeed going down, then we have only ourselves to blame, not AMD.
And guess what will happen guys, if AMD do go down the pan?
Your lovely Intel chip wont cost £100 anymore... No! - it will be back up to where it was before AMD forced them to lower it... £400+
How much was the P4 3.6HT when it came out?
£399 if Im not mistaken?
How much do you think Intel CPUs will be if they do get the market share?
I for one am going AMD for my next main rig no matter what.
well go on then buy the slower system but you may save amd from bankruptcy (like they deserve it). the fact is amd is so long in a slow lane they can't be arsed to make a faster chip to turn their profits around. they seem happy trailing as second best. intel are not perfect but they got faster chip and it's worth the money
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as if you know anythign at all about designing a competent processor. design is largely about how much money you can throw at it. intel are ahead on fabrication, they are getting the smaller parts working reliably first and all because they can throw more money at it. we're talking billions here. AMD wont stay in front while intel have that capital unless amd overtake them in other areas.
if it were so easy to design a cpu in weeks thats better than anything intel have up their sleeves right now, they would ahve done so. or perhaps you know how?
Oh how silly of me.
AMD should just bring out a new Chip to take over Intel... Yes...
My god, you have shown me the light.
And all this time, I thought that you needed to design a chip and then build it, and it took ages to get from the drawing board to the finished article...
Had I know it was only AMD "Not getting off their arses" then Id have gone Intel years ago.
Thanks for the heads up.
amd are not far behind now in performance wise.. they've done a really good job with the new B3 phenoms. tbh as long as amd are around i will keep buying they processors. they processors are getting better, im sure the next set of processors will bring amd back.
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Only if everyone bought the faster chips.
I see many here with intel setup here that are not out donging all AMD setups because they bought the slowest version & have not clocked it enough.
And everything you just said about AMD was true with intel with the P4 & lets say we had the power to make intel bankrupt (like they deserve it) at the time then you would not have your C2D chips now!
Plus your short term view take all now even tho knowing what the longterm likelihood for doing so will cost your more than 4 times has much in the long term.
I would not want to play £400 & upwards for a cpu that should be £100 because of AMD going down because if it actually happened you would be the first to moan about prices of GFX cards & CPU`s.
there is a second problem intel needs a big enough competitor too keep eyes away from anti monopoly folk. So there will always a
intel and AMD
nvidia and AMD
Otherwise similiar thing that happened to BT (AT&T donkey years ago) might happen here.
eg imagine intel was forced split the company to like Intel CPU and Intel Chipset. eg BT Wholesale and BT Retail (totally different sector but similiar could apply) and there be intel chipsets for AMD processors and via's on a much smaller scale. Do you think Intel would want to be split up?
intel and AMD
nvidia and AMD
Otherwise similiar thing that happened to BT (AT&T donkey years ago) might happen here.
eg imagine intel was forced split the company to like Intel CPU and Intel Chipset. eg BT Wholesale and BT Retail (totally different sector but similiar could apply) and there be intel chipsets for AMD processors and via's on a much smaller scale. Do you think Intel would want to be split up?
The biggest market, corporate, dont generally use the full spec of there machines anyway. So as long as AMD keep building market share they will be ok.
As for home market, people buy PCs from PCW, and most of those are as much use as a house brick for a coffee table, so the other area they gotta get into is branding and marketing because besides people that have a fair idea what they doing, nobody really see AMD "the brand".
Intel wins hands down at marketing tbh.
As for home market, people buy PCs from PCW, and most of those are as much use as a house brick for a coffee table, so the other area they gotta get into is branding and marketing because besides people that have a fair idea what they doing, nobody really see AMD "the brand".
Intel wins hands down at marketing tbh.