Big Screen Beyond 2

@wunkley my first bsb2 had minimal glare, I was actually quite shocked as I was prepared for quite a bit after reading all the customer reviews. Very mild, just around the bottom. I hate glare, and this was perfectly fine. Didn't bother me in the slightest.

Unfortunately that one had a dead pixel so it was replaced.

OMG!! the replacement was terrible! I mean, it was so bad it was easily the most glare I have ever seen in a vr headset. Double the amount in the pico4 and meganex, it was THAT bad. The loading screen in AMS2 was just full of it.
I could actually see it during a day time race. In a night time race, well....there's no point in even having OLED for the blacks as the glare turns it all grey anyway.

It's gone back for a refund which I'm still waiting for.
 
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glenimp617 said:
@wunkley my first bsb2 had minimal glare, I was actually quite shocked as I was prepared for quite a bit after reading all the customer reviews. Very mild, just around the bottom. I hate glare, and this was perfectly fine. Didn't bother me in the slightest.

Unfortunately that one had a dead pixel so it was replaced.

OMG!! the replacement was terrible! I mean, it was so bad it was easily the most glare I have ever seen in a vr headset. Double the amount in the pico4 and meganex, it was THAT bad. The loading screen in AMS2 was just full of it.
I could actually see it during a day time race. In a night time race, well....there's no point in even having OLED for the blacks as the glare turns it all grey anyway.

It's gone back for a refund which I'm still waiting for.
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Well that's very interesting to hear. So there may be big differences in build quality/ lens variance then? Hmmm.

Either way I don't think I can be bothered to play the quality lottery for the price it is. I think my only option is to wait it out and see what comes of the next 12 months. I've been lucky with my Pimax Crystal light so I feel willing to take a punt on the Super OLED or Dream Air as I feel that's the only path I have right now, but I know others have been stung by Pimax so it's all a bit of **** show really.

When did you send your BSB2 back/ how long have you been waiting? It does say expect up to around 14 days for a refund on the website....
 
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wunkley said:
Well that's very interesting to hear. So there may be big differences in build quality/ lens variance then? Hmmm.

Either way I don't think I can be bothered to play the quality lottery for the price it is. I think my only option is to wait it out and see what comes of the next 12 months. I've been lucky with my Pimax Crystal light so I feel willing to take a punt on the Super OLED or Dream Air as I feel that's the only path I have right now, but I know others have been stung by Pimax so it's all a bit of **** show really.

When did you send your BSB2 back/ how long have you been waiting? It does say expect up to around 14 days for a refund on the website....
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DHL tracking says last Thursday
 
glenimp617 said:
DHL tracking says last Thursday
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Fair enough then, I'm sure it will be fine. Are you going to try another BSB or not? Sounds like not. What you thinking to go for next?.....

My main worry now is the whole pancake lens hype train, as that is all we have for OLED at the moment. Pancakes suck 80% of the brightness due to polarisation, which itself is ridiculous, and ALL have glare. Some evidently way worse than others, and the Dream Air and Super OLED concave design has the least potentially, but glare is still an inherent design flaw in all of them.

I mean, if you turned on your lovely big OLED TV and in any dark scenes you had horrific glare artefacts moving over the screen wherever you looked, and the blacks became a grey smudge would we think that was in any way acceptable? We need a total new lens design that works with micro oled panels. It's the only sensible path. Or, just make larger OLED panels and use aspehric style glass lenses and make the headsets the appropriate size. This 'chasing the tiny' is just hurting the image, and it's more of a gimmick in my opinion now - One useful thing I've discovered trying the BSB2e is that a tiny sized headset is not important at all to me. The Crystal Light is too big and heavy really (but still comfy!) but I think the ~500g style solid strap headsets are absolutely fine, and more comfortable on the face. My old Reverb G2 is the comfiest headset I've ever used.
 
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Ravenger said:
No headset is perfect in terms of comfort. The Quest Pro was uncomfortable after about an hour until I got the Globular cluster kit with top strap.

The BSB2 is more problematic in that it's customized to the user's face, and the small form factor makes wearing glasses impossible, so I can see why people would return it, especially if it didn't live up to the hype.

The only headset I've ever got rid of was the PSVR2, as it was simply awful - terrible mura, not comfy, tiny sweet spot, and quite blurry. I even got it upgraded with a comfort kit, headpones, and prescription lenses but they didn't help, and so I sold it at a loss a while later.
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I will say about the PFD that even tho ive said i would have returned if i could have, it turned out after messing about trying things + buying things that the comfort is fine with aftermarket comfort items (i know most hmds need comfort mods anyway but theyre generally still usable without them, whereas the PFD is more or less unusable without them) and the lenses are better with precise eye positioning. Good company to deal with imo which always helps.

I'm keeping an eye on their PFD 2 which is rumoured to be small form factor, wifi + DP, 2.5K panel (not the same as the 1's in the BSB2), decent passthrough, can't remember if it can do standalone but the PFD can, was supposed to be 'significantly' cheaper than the PFD.
 
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Fair enough then, I'm sure it will be fine. Are you going to try another BSB or not? Sounds like not. What you thinking to go for next?.....

My main worry now is the whole pancake lens hype train, as that is all we have for OLED at the moment. Pancakes suck 80% of the brightness due to polarisation, which itself is ridiculous, and ALL have glare. Some evidently way worse than others, and the Dream Air and Super OLED concave design has the least potentially, but glare is still an inherent design flaw in all of them.

I mean, if you turned on your lovely big OLED TV and in any dark scenes you had horrific glare artefacts moving over the screen wherever you looked, and the blacks became a grey smudge would we think that was in any way acceptable? We need a total new lens design that works with micro oled panels. It's the only sensible path. Or, just make larger OLED panels and use aspehric style glass lenses and make the headsets the appropriate size. This 'chasing the tiny' is just hurting the image, and it's more of a gimmick in my opinion now - One useful thing I've discovered trying the BSB2e is that a tiny sized headset is not important at all to me. The Crystal Light is too big and heavy really (but still comfy!) but I think the ~500g style solid strap headsets are absolutely fine, and more comfortable on the face. My old Reverb G2 is the comfiest headset I've ever used.
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with the rumours of the next quest using the same seeya panels as the bsb2, I think it will be the upcoming pico or sticking with my crystal light
 
There is zero glare on my Quest Pro lenses. I don't even get the brown glow that some people get (but adjustments to brightness and contrast can mitigate that). Personally I think the QLED panels on the Pro are the best compromise between OLED and LCD, though more dimming zones would be great. Playing Bootstrap Island at night the scene is pitch black, and waving a torch in front of your eyes is searingly bright. Looks utterly amazing, and it's not OLED. So there is a middle way.
 
Ravenger said:
There is zero glare on my Quest Pro lenses. I don't even get the brown glow that some people get (but adjustments to brightness and contrast can mitigate that). Personally I think the QLED panels on the Pro are the best compromise between OLED and LCD, though more dimming zones would be great. Playing Bootstrap Island at night the scene is pitch black, and waving a torch in front of your eyes is searingly bright. Looks utterly amazing, and it's not OLED. So there is a middle way.
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and physically bigger which helps with fov....not to mention much cheaper

OLED is awesome though. It's the silicon wafers which is the problem. High cost, low yield. TCL is working on glass uOLED so you never know
 
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