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The thing is it makes guys LOOK FAT

Like I know people have different body types but that guy in the youtube doc looked really big and fat rather than toned and lots of muscles.

I'm guessing if your quite small and want to get muscle if you try to just get bigger which makes you look fat and broad?
 
I'm not sure I totally understand what you just said.

One of the guys has 11% body fat, it's just that 11% of his body weight is still quite a lot of fat. 11% is still impressive though, not many other people apart from fitness models/bodybuilders are that low.
 
icecold said:
I'm not sure I totally understand what you just said.

One of the guys has 11% body fat, it's just that 11% of his body weight is still quite a lot of fat. 11% is still impressive though, not many other people apart from fitness models/bodybuilders are that low.
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Its hard to explain

If you look at the Youtube video from the OP and goto 8 minutes, the main guy in the red tshirt. Im sure he works out every single day and hes eating all the right food but because of his small size he doesnt look lean at all it he just looks really stocky and built up. It looks like he couldnt run a mile without being tired because of his size.
 
Im kinda talking about the body structure of that guy. To me it looks like he does no cardio at all and does just pure weight training because he looks so chunky and built.
 
...so you're talking about someone's training style rather than steriods.

Maybe he doesn't care about looking slim? It's not important to everyone.
 
Jimz said:
Im sure he works out every single day and hes eating all the right food but because of his small size he doesnt look lean at all it he just looks really stocky and built up. It looks like he couldnt run a mile without being tired because of his size.
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Im sure its more to do with him having a high bodyfat lol. I've seen this documentary before, and found it quite interesting, can't really remember it all though so might watch it again.

That guy at the end of the first part is such a washed up old loser, "I live in a van but at least I can lift heavy in the gym!?!?!"

As for my views on steroids, your choice if you want to use them though I'd make sure all other variables are spot on first. Personally I wouldn't use them as I like to have other things in my life in balance to going to the gym, and I could improve my diet more to improve gains.

fen739 said:
Admittedly I met him after he stopped both steroids and the gym.

He said that come summer, he'll probably start on them again. Cant say I wasn't momentarily intrigued, but personally it's something I cant ever see myself doing.
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These attitudes of starting steroids and stopping training all together etc are a poor mindset imo, a complete waste of using them.
 
The Craig said:
These attitudes of starting steroids and stopping training all together etc are a poor mindset imo, a complete waste of using them.
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Personally I can't understand it either. Even when I get to the stage where I'm happy with my form (I think this will actually come, I'm 6"5' but dont want to look monstrous, just slightly bigger and leaner) I wouldn't ever quit the gym, firstly as I love it, secondly why let your hard effort waste away...?
 
fen739 said:
Wow, very interesting documentary.

A friend was talking recently about how he used to take steroids and I was shocked to say the least and wouldn't believe him straight away. Admittedly I met him after he stopped both steroids and the gym. He was so blazé about it, very similar to those in the documentary and had studiously read up on the health effects.

He said that come summer, he'll probably start on them again. Cant say I wasn't momentarily intrigued, but personally it's something I cant ever see myself doing.
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lol - why dont you take a wild guess how many people in the world take steroids, its in the millions, your living in a shell if you think otherwise. all the guys at those bodybuilding shows never got that big from whey protein, i'll tell you that much. same with all the wannabe's.

just look at WWE, Brock Lesnar, The Rock, etc, that aint genetics.
 
Jimz said:
The thing is it makes guys LOOK FAT

Like I know people have different body types but that guy in the youtube doc looked really big and fat rather than toned and lots of muscles.

I'm guessing if your quite small and want to get muscle if you try to just get bigger which makes you look fat and broad?
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he looks fat because hes carrying some fat.

hes not a poser wanting to look good , he trains to lift big and lifting big is what he does
 
shifty_uk said:
Seen this years ago.

Following on from my recent thread, I use to be totally against them but the drive to be bigger, leaner, stronger just pushes you into fascination and a fair bit of Googling. If they were easy to come by and not so expensive online I'm sorry to say I might've perhaps had to fight myself from dabbling with the non oestrogen effect variants.

Pretty scary thought, knowing the health hazards and the potential risk to my relationship(other half would tell me to bugger off if she found out).
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Imagine being in America where you could go to a recommended Dr and they would give them to you for paid for by your insurance company (depending on the quality of your insurance)
 
Very good documentry and highlights the hypocracy of the current situation.

There are so many other ways to gain an edge and steroids is just another one, perhaps with some extra health risks attached.

If you don't do them you aint gonna win because other people will be on them. It is as simple as that and because they are constantly evolving it is very hard to regulate and test properlly. As far as sport is concerned it is a difficult subject because of this.

But as for whether you should do them yourself just to look good. Well that's up to the individual. I don't really want to be that massive so no thanks personally.

But being a bit of a risk taker if I was into bodybuilding seriously and got to be as big as I could, stopped progressing I would be tempted to give them ago. I do think the side effects are not as bad as is made out.

But I just don't want to be that big or that awesome at sport. It's kind of why I prefer football and cricket etc because it isn't just about genetics or strenght but more practice, teamwork and skill if that makes sense. But like they suggest genetic manipulation will cause troubles here eventually. We are just code at the end of the day.


You have to feel sorry for his brother though, he seemed so obsessed with making it despite getting a good job and hot loving wife. :(

RIP MadDog.
 
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I was watching this up until Part 4 last night, i will continue watching this at work. I still stand by the fact steroids are what breast implants are to women [it's the only close correlation for the most enhanced part of the female body i could think of] and i dislike implants as well.

You can still get big by following a good diet and training regime, there is no reason to take steroids as there are numerous products from MyProtein that can enhance your performance as well as normal foods. If you can't get big, you need to increase your calories but in a healthy way and not by turning to a tub of ice cream or phoning Dominos to get a family size pizza delivered.

I do have one question though; Sylvester Stallone is my idol, Australia banned HGH a while back, but is it really illegal and how bad is it compared to steroids?
 
'Wes said:
I do have one question though; Sylvester Stallone is my idol, Australia banned HGH a while back, but is it really illegal and how bad is it compared to steroids?
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Your analogy of breast implants is great, but you are delusional if you think anyone can get big, let alone Stallone big/ripped without roids. There's plenty of information out there on HGH but your must be mad if you think that's all he was on at the time or hadn't been a heavy user of steroids from early on in his career.

You then get people trying to get as big under the illusion that all these people they look up to arn't roiding but the facts show they all are, from Christian Bale and his Test scripts to Arnold Scheazzenegger and the good old D-Bol days (which back then you could purchase over the counter)
 
hurfdurf said:
Your analogy of breast implants is great, but you are delusional if you think anyone can get big, let alone Stallone big/ripped without roids.
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Way to jump to conclusions, and so is your analogy on the only way to get big is to be on steroids. If i were you, i'd research how to build muscle and size before you begin to stereotype everyone who has developed decent muscle size [Freefaller for example and BennyC] as using steroids.

It's common knowledge for anyone who has an ounce of knowledge about the human body, that you need to increase calories by at most 500 per day to start building muscle and size, that's not just junk calories, it's healthy calories consisting of protein and complex carbohydrates.

I also never stated Sly wasn't on steroids, i was asking a general question to HGH.

I suggest you research more.
 
Read my post again big boy, I didn't at any point say certain people can't get big as clearly they can but not just any body (I am a firm believer Freefaller is running on dat dere celltech however). For certain people getting that size is impossible no matter how good of a diet they have. Could these natural swole dudes get Sly Stallone size and shape naturally? I doubt it. It's another level that is really only achievable with pharmaceutical help.
 
hurfdurf said:
Read my post again big boy, I didn't at any point say certain people can't get big as clearly they can but not just any body (I am a firm believer Freefaller is running on dat dere celltech however). For certain people getting that size is impossible no matter how good of a diet they have. Could these natural swole dudes get Sly Stallone size and shape naturally? I doubt it. It's another level that is really only achievable with pharmaceutical help.
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lol. Obviously I'd agree you can't get to arnold size without steroids, however you can significantly increase muscle mass without them, and to be fair don't require them unless you want to attain "beast mode" :p.
 
You've only got to look at nature bodybuilders and compare them with untested bodybuilders to see how much of a differance steroids can make to a persons looks.

Nature bodybuilders are about as big (muscular) as you'll likely get without them.

And many powerlifters eat 10,000 cals plus a day (do you know how much food that is?), no amount of steriods or any other drug is going to make someone consuming that amount of food riped. I bet the bodybuilders are eating more like 2,000 - 3,000 to get down to contest shape.
 
There are plenty of 6'+ exomorphs who cannot get over 160lbs without serious lifestyle issues and who will never see the swole side of 180lbs because of their genetics. I am sorry if this is news to some people and dreams are being shattered but life is unfair like that, just like how short people can't get talk twinky exomorphs can't get swole.
 
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