Bilingual clap trap.

L1J said:
The language and culture of others, how can you possibly comment on a language being crap?
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That's not ignorance, If I said all welsh people wore turbans, or welsh is very similar to japanese then I would be ignorant to the language and its speakers.

It's an opinion, I'm not going to sit here and say; "All languages are equal and I shall have no opinion either was as to how the language sounds or looks"...

To me, compared to other languages, it looks and sounds bad.
 
Just repeat back whats said but change Welsh for English

English language is gabbledeegook, waa waa waa *drums desk with a spoon like a baby

PH makes an F sound wtf is up with that!?

etc etc

Should bring it down to most peoples level
 
Skyfall said:
That's not ignorance, If I said all welsh people wore turbans, or welsh is very similar to japanese then I would be ignorant to the language and its speakers.

It's an opinion, I'm not going to sit here and say; "All languages are equal and I shall have no opinion either was as to how the language sounds or looks"...

To me, compared to other languages, it looks and sounds bad.
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So basically you are commeting on something you have no understanding or knowledge of?

Hence you are being ignorant.
 
Skyfall said:
Visually the syntax is completely random, too few letters are used too frequently, and orally it sounds like a dyslexic deaf child trying to beatbox whilst sucking a werthers original.
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Welsh is random compared to English?! I only need to bring up the classic "Ghoti = fish" remark to turn that one on its head. Welsh is considerably more phonetic - and therefore less random - than English.

I chuckled at the simile, though. Bonus points for not using the word 'phlegm' ;)
 
L1J said:
I see and hear a lot of things, it doesn't mean I have full understanding of them!
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This is pointless and this is my last post in the thread, I really dont understand your problem... I expressed an opinion and far from telling me why you think my opinion is wrong you seem to be telling me that I'm not able to have an opinion about something or at least without having a "FULL" understanding of it.

To me, written/typed welsh looks like someone mashed the keyboard.
To me, there are too many y's, d's, f's and n's.
To me, welsh sounds as described in my post.

What exactly is I need to have a 'full understanding' of? Do I need to have a degree in Welsh to formulate an opinion? Or can I, as I thought was the norm, look at the information I have to hand and formulate an opinion?
 
Can you speak Welsh? Most languages I dont know dont make much sense when I see or hear them. If you can speak Welsh, then im still a bit lost on why you find it overly confusing.
 
If he said "French sounds sexy" no one would have an issue with it. You don't have to understand it to have an opinion on whether it makes pleasing sounds or not.
 
Morlan said:
So much bitterness.

I'm sure the Welsh though English was just as discusting and pointless when they first heard it :rolleyes:
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Maybe, but it was a completely different language then. It's completely incomprehensible to a modern English speaker.

For example:

þelstan cyning,eorla dryhten,
beorna beahgifa,& his broþor eac,
Eadmund æþeling,ealdorlangne tir
geslogon æt sæccesweorda ecgum
ymbe Brunanburh.Bordweal clufan,
heowan heaþolindehamora lafan,
afaran Eadweardes,swa him geæþele wæs
from cneomægum,þæt hi æt campe oft
wiþ laþra gehwæneland ealgodon,
hord & hamas.
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From http://www.kami.demon.co.uk/gesithas/readings/brun_oe.html

There's a lot more there and the site claims that you should be able to hear it being spoken correctly. That didn't work for me.

EDIT: Dammit, I failed to notice the most important thing about your post.

"the Welsh" didn't think anything about the English language. "the Welsh" is not a person, so it can't have a single opinion on the English language (or anything else). Different Welsh people would have had different opinions about English back in the 5th?6th? century.
 
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I'm English and have lived in Glyn Ceirog, North Wales for 6 years. I love the country, and the Welsh language is alive and well down at the corner shop and in the pubs:)
 
Morlan said:
Yes, the Penal Laws sought to wipe out all Gaelic culture and Catholicism in Ireland. Gaelic was seen as a major barrier in conquering the country, so all teaching of the language was outlawed. 100s of illegal Gaelic "Hedge schools" formed, but the perpetrators were jailed/executed, and their houses and crops burned. It was a lost cause.

It was the Famine in 1845 that saw the majority Gaelic-speaking population fall from 8 million to under 4 million. 2 million died, the rest emigrated. The famine hardened Irish hatred for Britain whose mercantilist policies they blamed for starvation.

After Independence, the government made Irish the first official language in the Constitution, thus Irish became a mandatory subject in all schools. But the curriculum focused on Irish literature and poetry instead of actually teaching people how to speak it. This caused even more damage to the language.

It remains a mandatory subject today, but only recently have they changed the curriculum to focus on speaking it rather than reading and writing. We'll have to wait another 6 years to see if it makes any difference.

I hated the language in school, but I believe making Irish (and Welsh for that matter) optional would certainly put the final nail in the coffin. Irish will remain mandatory in all schools until the Irish people vote to abolish the language from the constitution in a referendum. That's never going to happen.
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I hated learning Welsh at school, but in retrospect, wish I'd put more effort into it.

My first thought after reading that was "Bloody hell, I see why they formed the IRA" - not that I condone it, but at least you can see their motivations (and an even deeper hatred of the English than we have)
 
There is always motivation to be found for people who want to hate millions of people on the basis of some irrelevant thing they have in common. Hate the Jews, hate the blacks, hate the whites, hate the French, hate the English...the list is endless. Bigots often try to pretend they have a reason for their irrational hatred.

How far back does your excuse go? Do you hate Italians, for example? If not, why not? Romans in the past conquered your country, displaced the inhabitants, etc, so by your "logic", you should hate Italians today because they come from roughly the same place as some other people in the past.

And as for Germans...well, that's even more recent! You should have a raging hatred of Germans.
 
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