Bit confused with Bowens ?

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Been looking at the Bowens Gemini 750 Pro Three Head Kit which includes

For fashion and commercial photographers, particularly those wishing to shoot on location, the Bowens Gemini 750 Pro is the perfect choice. This kit includes three 750PRO heads, three stands, two 115cm silver/white umbrellas, two wide angle reflectors, 100cm softbox, leads, cables, modelling lamps and case.

However, Bowens do a battery and controller for the Gemini pro series, but it will only power 2 flashes. There isnt one for three, and the one above is the QuadX 3000j which costs £2k on its own and will power 4 flashes, but only quadx flashes, £1500 for three of them, without stands, umbrellas, reflectors, softbox and modelling lamps.

So im a bit confused as to why they offer a 3 head kit for portability and dont offer a battery for location shots that will actually power the kit ?

I know i dont need to spend this amount but i feel that "buy cheap buy twice" comes into play here ?
 
Ok i worked it out, that id need 2 controller boards and 2 batteries, that the controller doesnt control the output of the flash heads (the quadx series does) and that it would be only slightly more expensive in the long run to use the quadx kit with a lot more flexibility...
 
Learn lighting, been watching the strobist dvd and i really need to invest in kit to learn it.
 
My kit cost me less than £400 in total.

And...well, you've seen the results. :)

What happens when you get to a point where its not good enough and you spend 2k on pro lighting ? Then you have spent £2400 when you could have spent £2000 ?
 
Sigh, OP you need to change the mentality of spending money equal good photos. You did the same with your camera and lens and so far most of the ones you have posted have been erm, rubbish to be honest, at best, except one that i would think its ok. But it still early days so we can't really criticise you on that. However, You are doing the same here, you don't need to spend thousands to learn strobes, Jesus man, you haven't even mastered natural light yet and i don't think you know the settings on your camera. Flash photography is a whole new ball game so don't try to run before you can walk. Get your natural light work up to scratch first, then move onto flash. If you want to experiment, try something cheaper, dropping thousands just for fun, isn't fun.

For example ? I know what pretty much all of them do, or atleast the important ones!
 
Ok :)

I had a sb600 but it stopped working randomly, wouldnt turn on even with a fresh set of batteries, which im pretty peeved about as its expensive to replace!
 
I hardly bother posting work on here because i get so many off-topic personal troll comments that make it very hard to actually read anything productive.

Ive noticed if i post a good picture i get 7 replies if best, if i post a bad picture i get 7 pages (50 post per page) of abuse.
 
I am just a blunt person... Someone told me to critique others work as part of my learning process, i never did before as i feel that i am below everyone in photographic ability terms. So i do, and then i get critisised for that! So i dont, and then get critiscised for not taking the advice!

I never said your kit was rubbish ? Please tell me where I said that ? You still have better kit than me... im shooting an 18-70 kit lens and i believe your using a tamron 17-50 ?
 
I agree with everything Martin has said in his post, however this part especially, and for example see this post recently;

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=17644286&postcount=57



It's not a very good attitude to take towards a course, and you are putting yourself above people rightfully or wrongfully so, which isn't the way to approach a creative art subject.

So being taught to just use auto mode on a batchelor of arts course that costs £3k a year is acceptable ?
 
I was one of the ones giving him a hard time for stuff like the 200/f2 when he was talking about it, he does need to listen to advice but in this case he just asked a question about a product which produced a variety of responses few of which really addressed what he was asking which was a narrow technical question.

He didn't say 'I want this' or 'should I get this?' just 'how does this work?' - I think a lot of the responses were based on it being him asking, if somebody else had asked the same thing I think it would have been different in tone. Anyway, enough and back on topic...

Thats pretty much how i percieve it and it happens in Motors forum too, though i dont post there.

I have just over £11k in the bank which is great for my circumstances. I love cars and photography but if i post in either for either 11k's worth of photo kit or £11k worth of car, 90% of the thread content will people telling me that im lying because im a 24 year old student because when they were students they didnt have any money.

So its completely pointless asking on here. The 200/2 i was asking about was for sale significantly cheaper than the £3500 rrp now (and was before the vr2 version was out) so was quite a bargain, but im still glad i didnt buy it.

TBH i have listened to the advice on here and in a lot of ways its been the right thing to do, but in some ways life has been harder. I was in a situation the other day where i was trying to take sharp pictures in low light, having listened to people on here i stuck with DX so my camera is only good upto ISO1600, flash wouldnt have produced the right picture, and a D3S would have been very handy.

FWIW i am going travelling in april when i have completed my dissertation / project, i get my final student loan check and im in for 2 weeks after it then i am going abroad with camera gear :)

Now as for these forums, believe it or not i do listen to people, however there tend to be people who give advice a, people who give advice b, i follow a, then get personally critiscised by both B and A who, over night seem to have changed their "advice" to side with people B, and then you expect me to put up with this personal abuse ?

I used to post up contrasted images up and get abuse for it to the point where i found a guide by chase jarvis and followed it to a tee. I posted this image and got a shed load of abuse from it, telling me how crap i am, how my monitors uncalibrated, how people can take better pics on their iphone, blah blah blah, and yet one of the same people saying this were posting how good this other image (the one i had used as a reference) was.

I have nothing more to say.
 
I used to stand up for twoblacklines frequently as I felt he was getting a tough time; much like you are now. I too don't condone anyone being picked on unnecessarily. My opinion changed since I have seen how blunt/spiteful he was been with other people and that completely changed my opinion. I also feel that the generalisations made are not fair, many of us have repeatedly tried to help (including myself). I also feel the advice he passes on is shocking, often dismissing kit just because it is middle of the market, well it just gets on my nerves as I for one know you can do great things with an entry level DSLR! Most of all though, I am just tired of seeing yet another wasteful thread in the Photography forums.

. :)

I wasnt giving any advice at all untill someone told me that to get more involved and better at my work, i needed to give advice and critisise other peoples work. As soon as i did that, i got more abuse lol... so i cant win can i ?
 
I feel we have got to the point where we all understand each other without turning everything into a big arguement. Obviously my attitude gets on peoples nerves, maybe I didnt realise it, maybe I did, at the end of the day we are all here for the same love arent we ?
 
I'll be honest, the only pictures I actually remember seeing of yours are the 'fashion shoot' ones.

I'd be interested to see some of your other stuff though, do you have a Flickr link or another online gallery? Also interested to see the Chase Jarvis tutorial you followed. Do you have a link?

http://blog.chasejarvis.com/blog/20...y-play-post-production-on-this-popular-photo/

I only have 3 pictures on my flickr I think, as i only post shots up there when i get goodish feedback on here. Quality > quantity, right ?
 
To get back on topic, has anyone had any experience with Innovatronix ? They do a complete speedlight softbox kit that looks a lot more stable than anything available in the UK, like lastolite.. ?

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Is yours a lastolite ? Im thinking of pulling the trigger as they are relativly cheap but everyone complains about the quality in the reviews. The one I am looking at is $300, but i believe you can use the same equipment on pretty much anything, ie reflectors, umbrellas etc, and not just limited to a particular brand of softbox.

Heres my flickr link btw, as you asked. http://www.flickr.com/photos/statikedout/
 
60cmx60cm, you get the flash head itself too though.
Most flash guns are now equipped with wireless remote control systems that they can also serve as studio flashes. When you are on your home/studio doing serious photography work or just practice shooting, you have to use tons of AAs or rechargeable battery sets if you are going to work for longer hours.​
With the new Tronix SpeedFire - you get away from battery depletion worries. The Tronix SpeedFire powers the flash guns directly through AC power or main/wall socket. It is an external power supply which converts AC power to high voltage DC power that connects to the flash gun's external power port. Since connected directly to AC, your flash gun will recycle faster (in less than 1 sec) and will give unlimited number of flashes.
 
Ok my bit of advice and this is coming from someone who shoots a fair few models now on location and in the studio and is getting paid for it.

For my studio stuff I have A 4 light Bowens set up and have never ever needed to take this on location with me.

Location wise I have 2 x Nikon SB900's with a set of Pocket Wizards and a couple of umbrellas and a Softbox. I've never ever need the Bowens and before you say about the recycling times you get on the Bowens the SB900 can do this very quick by turning up the ISO on my D3 to give a hi out put with less power and still a very clean file.

If you have money to burn and strong arms then get the Bowens but remember you cant tie a Bowens head to a tree with a bungee, you can with a SB900 ;)

Thanks, i know your photography quite well as i know some of the models you shoot :)

Would you find yourself strugging if you didnt have the bowens setup, so you had to use your SB setup in the studio ?
 
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