bit of advice....

[WantoN]

Typical meathead superiority Of course the swissball has no practical use and is only for people who roll around on it with a tutu on while on the knowledgeless gym instructors clap and dance and have a gay tea party telling everyone they need to tone up. And any peice of equipment that doesn't have the word 'olympic' as a precursor and a large number followed by 'KG' is obviously useless.

At least the heart monkeys don't deride you for being unable to run 10k without loosing conciousness

Ant

 

[Jeffstar]

lol i live in the arse of wales a hardcore gym here is just the gym with the hairiest women and the least treadmills

Sounds perfect

I'd imagined there would a hardcore gym in every village in Wales. Met some pretty big Welsh lads on my worldly travels, inc one who's making a pretty good living with a mail order steroids business, met him on a visa run in Bali but he was based in Thailand. Apparently you can buy them over the counter there. Steroids are not my thing mind, but an interesting guy nonetheless.

 

[gareth.e]

...which is why is said "the most hardcore gym in your area". I'm not talking about shiny, leotard gyms here

Been to a hardcore gym and during the duration of my months membership:

- Got taught front squats by a female bodybuilder with bigger legs than me
- Overheard funny conversations about girlfriends and how they moan
- Got respect for deadlifting more than a guy who was twice my size and then another time for my lat pull down abilities despite my size
- Overheard a conversation about HGH and saw the guy bigging it up whip his stash out
- Found the tap water I had been drinking was dodgy and got shown the kitchen where to drink non toxic water
- Decided I loved 90's house/dance after listening to it 5 times a week for an hour or so
- Watched a girl follow her bodybuilding boyfriend around the gym while he did chest ALPHAA!!
- was greeted with 'hi' by a random girl that always walked past as I would set up for wide grip pullups!
- Saw people get their tops off and pose infront of a mirror while excercising
- Randomly started talking to this old guy and saw him nearly ever time I went from then on
- Had some polish guy trying to get me to stop using some equipment so he could use it
-Some how bumped into a person I was best friends with when I was a kid
- Watch the owner get ****** off at this same guy every week that would full load the sledge with about 12-14+ x20kg plates then leave them on there for other people..
So yeh! Hardcore gyms are awesome!!!!

DOn't swear! FF.

 

[Ultra_Extreme]

Sounds perfect

I'd imagined there would a hardcore gym in every village in Wales. Met some pretty big Welsh lads on my worldly travels, inc one who's making a pretty good living with a mail order steroids business, met him on a visa run in Bali but he was based in Thailand. Apparently you can buy them over the counter there. Steroids are not my thing mind, but an interesting guy nonetheless.

I think a lot of the rugby club gym's are pretty hard, but they are rugby team only mostly and you've gotta remember the welsh are viciously prejudiced against the poor old english, i wouldnt last 2 minuites!

A lot of steroids are available over the counter in eastern provinces, and in the UK its still legal to import without a prescription (unlike over your side of the pond). Course you lot can always pop into pet stores in mexico and buy testosterone at good prices!

The only thing i hate about not having a good gym to go to is that lack of competition and comraderie. Im modest as they come, but i still love nailing a big lift in front of others!

 

[Jeffstar]

The only thing i hate about not having a good gym to go to is that lack of competition and comraderie. Im modest as they come, but i still love nailing a big lift in front of others!

I think training at a good gym with plenty of hardcore trainers is a big plus, when i first started going, i made friends with many of the lads and just learned from them. I'm pretty strong but i feel like a weakling at times amongst some of the meatheads, for example, i spotted for a guy last session...170kg incline Benchpress for 10 reps! You just can't help but be motivated. I'm sure i'd lose interest if i was surrounded by pencil necks.

LMAO at your post gareth.e. That sounds like my kind of gym

 

[janesssssy]

Im sure reading the OP he was talking about losing weight and cardio stuff... like every gym thread it turns in to a body builder thread which lets face it - he aint going to lose any wieght / tone up

 

[Freefaller]

Im sure reading the OP he was talking about losing weight and cadio stuff... like every gym thread it turns in to a body builder thread which lets face it - he aint going to lose any wieght / tone up

Losing weight and "toning" is more likely to happen with a good weights routine than cardio alone. Also we need to address his diet and sleep - if he's serious he'll listen, if he's not he can just go and be a hamster like all the others that go and plod on a treadmill for hours a week.

So yes he will lose weight and "tone" by lifting weights and following more of a bodybuilding type of routine.

So kindly accept your rolleyes back and shut it quite frankly.

 

[janesssssy]

ok... have a good day.

 

[etom]

trained with some guys in the sas selection process recently (just got back from weekend, im not in the sas selection just working with them) and although hardly body builders they were insanely fit, sometimes think cardio is underated on this forum. (they weren't that weak or skinny either).

 

[Ultra_Extreme]

trained with some guys in the sas selection process recently (just got back from weekend, im not in the sas selection just working with them) and although hardly body builders they were insanely fit, sometimes think cardio is underated on this forum. (they weren't that weak or skinny either).

they are generally very fit and comparativley strong but its impossible to be able to cover the distances those blokes do and be big, running burns muscle as well as fat!

Cardio isnt underrated, its just who wants to look like an emaciated albino ethiopian? Thats what you end up looking like if you run everywhere. Who looks better down the pub, the bodybuilder flexing his 18inch arms or the skinny ultra runner explaining how he can cross entire continents at a sprint? I have due respect for both but id only want to be one.

 

[WantoN]

sometimes think cardio is underated on this forum.

I completely agree. Training methodology is utterly dependant upon your goals, and physical fitness has a host of benefits.

Cardio isnt underrated, its just who wants to look like an emaciated albino ethiopian?

And this is exactly why. This statement is just as bad as the 'i don't want to look like the hulk' cliche that everyone goes up in arms over.

Bodybuilding for hypertrophy is completely vanity based, there's nothing wrong with that mind, and I accept that the fitness industry is vanity driven. However the fella who's running continents doesn't do it because he needs to look big to feel good about himself, and it's generally not the heart monkeys who bang on for ages about how amazing they are because of their training achievements.

It's about balance, who says heavy resistance and cardio don't have equally important roles to play. The feeling of being very fit is a wonderful sensation, and the buzz I get from a heavy session easily equals the pump of big lifting.

Bodybuilding is a discipline I've a lot of respect for, and once I've recovered from injury heavy resistance will play a large part in my routine once again. But it isn't the be all and end all, by a long, long way.

Being well muscled and physically very fit do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Ant

 

[etom]

they are generally very fit and comparativley strong but its impossible to be able to cover the distances those blokes do and be big, running burns muscle as well as fat!

Cardio isnt underrated, its just who wants to look like an emaciated albino ethiopian? Thats what you end up looking like if you run everywhere. Who looks better down the pub, the bodybuilder flexing his 18inch arms or the skinny ultra runner explaining how he can cross entire continents at a sprint? I have due respect for both but id only want to be one.

yeah but who sounds "better" the bodybuilder who does 5 hours of weights a week or the sas trooper because imo the argument is in vain but of course everyone trains for personal reasons. Besides they are often quite musuclar, more so then the average personal on the street for sure.

edit: don't mean to argue just running is good and weights aren't the only way to get "fit" and healthy looking espicially if you're 18 stone.

 

[Ultra_Extreme]

I completely agree. Training methodology is utterly dependant upon your goals, and physical fitness has a host of benefits.



And this is exactly why. This statement is just as bad as the 'i don't want to look like the hulk' cliche that everyone goes up in arms over.

Bodybuilding for hypertrophy is completely vanity based, there's nothing wrong with that mind, and I accept that the fitness industry is vanity driven. However the fella who's running continents doesn't do it because he needs to look big to feel good about himself, and it's generally not the heart monkeys who bang on for ages about how amazing they are because of their training achievements.

It's about balance, who says heavy resistance and cardio don't have equally important roles to play. The feeling of being very fit is a wonderful sensation, and the buzz I get from a heavy session easily equals the pump of big lifting.

Bodybuilding is a discipline I've a lot of respect for, and once I've recovered from injury heavy resistance will play a large part in my routine once again. But it isn't the be all and end all, by a long, long way.

Being well muscled and physically very fit do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Ant

But as far as normal bodyshape goals go the quickest way to get there is bodybuilding no? That is to say "hypertrophy specific resistance training". When a man (specifically) chooses to get "fit and healthy" their minds eye sees this:

(Christian Boeving Top Bodybuilding Fitness Model)

Not this

Cover of Runners World Magazine


Now ive tried to be as fair as poss ive taken two COVER MODELS for the respective sports and the physique difference is a fair one. You are just as unlikely to get Christian boevings body as you are that runners slightly skeletal physique. But my point is the MORE you RUN and the BETTER you get the MORE you look like that guy and the less you look like Boeving.

Conversley the more you bodybuild the more you look like Boeving and the less you look like Mr Runner. Now i know that for some, SAS included, looking like Boeving isnt the be all and end all. But when someone 'average' talks about shaping up how many in a hundred, a thousand, a million, would choose to aim for Mr Runner over Mr Bodybuilder?

Few, Very Very Few.

 

[Freefaller]

I agree that a mixture of cardio is important in any bodybuilding regime, but the fact is building muscle, even only a few lean lbs of the stuff will help improve your body's ability at burning fat or using it's energy effectively. I do cardio 2x a week plus a rugby match on saturdays. I'm running up and down the pitch for 80mins and do it with no problems at all, yet my 100kg frames isn't being emaciated either. However I still feel it's very important to build a good muscle base as well. You won't become arnie or big like U_E by doing some weights unless you put the effort in and dedication TO become big which most people don't want. So it's not something to be overlooked.

 

[WantoN]

But as far as normal bodyshape goals go the quickest way to get there is bodybuilding no? That is to say "hypertrophy specific resistance training". When a man (specifically) chooses to get "fit and healthy" their minds eye sees this:

(Christian Boeving Top Bodybuilding Fitness Model)

Not this

Cover of Runners World Magazine


Now ive tried to be as fair as poss ive taken two COVER MODELS for the respective sports and the physique difference is a fair one. You are just as unlikely to get Christian boevings body as you are that runners slightly skeletal physique. But my point is the MORE you RUN and the BETTER you get the MORE you look like that guy and the less you look like Boeving.

Conversley the more you bodybuild the more you look like Boeving and the less you look like Mr Runner. Now i know that for some, SAS included, looking like Boeving isnt the be all and end all. But when someone 'average' talks about shaping up how many in a hundred, a thousand, a million, would choose to aim for Mr Runner over Mr Bodybuilder?

Few, Very Very Few.

The point I was making is that looking good isn't top of the list for everyone. And peoples concept of the perfect body is as much to do with the media as healthy goals.

I completely concede and understand the point you are making, but you're talking of extremes, my point is that there is a middle ground, and that resistance training and cardiovascular work have equally important roles to play.

When I was just lifting, I felt great, very powered and neanderthal. But now my fitness levels are far higher, I feel far better than I ever did lifting, I feel incredible! Fast, agile, muscular. My reflexes are snappy as hell, I'm flexible, lithe and still strong.

The point I'm making is that just like it's unfair to dismiss bodybuilding because you'll 'look like the hulk', it's equally unfair to dismiss cardio (And the massive range available) because you'll look like an ethiopian (that made me laugh my **** off by the way).

Take a look at some league players. Very individuals, and some are huge (including wingers and backs) Luke O'donnel for instance.

Ant

 

[Ultra_Extreme]

I agree that a mixture of cardio is important in any bodybuilding regime, but the fact is building muscle, even only a few lean lbs of the stuff will help improve your body's ability at burning fat or using it's energy effectively. I do cardio 2x a week plus a rugby match on saturdays. I'm running up and down the pitch for 80mins and do it with no problems at all, yet my 100kg frames isn't being emaciated either. However I still feel it's very important to build a good muscle base as well. You won't become arnie or big like U_E by doing some weights unless you put the effort in and dedication TO become big which most people don't want. So it's not something to be overlooked.

What make me laugh is that people can call me and you 'big' (i wouldnt although i think we are both of a good size ) but in the same breath say they "dont want to be big" but then again (probably in another breath or they might sound funny) they would say they'd be happy to look like Christian Boeving who i think we can both agree is a fair bit bigger than either of us. People are so strange.

The single biggest problem with using running to get slim is that most people dont use progression. In weights progression is a given, lift more, lift more reps, lift quicker. In running people find a nice distance they are comfortable with and run it day in day out forever. Their bodies get more and more adapted to doing it and before long the same run is done on so few calories it barely dents their weight anymore. Thats my problem with running, its not the running itself but human beings natural propensity to find the path of least resistance.

 

[Ultra_Extreme]

Take a look at some league players. Very individuals, and some are huge (including wingers and backs) Luke O'donnel for instance.

Ant

THAT GUY DOESNT LOOK LIKE THAT COS HE RUNS ITS COS HE LIFTS WEIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[WantoN]

I agree that a mixture of cardio is important in any bodybuilding regime, but the fact is building muscle, even only a few lean lbs of the stuff will help improve your body's ability at burning fat or using it's energy effectively. I do cardio 2x a week plus a rugby match on saturdays. I'm running up and down the pitch for 80mins and do it with no problems at all, yet my 100kg frames isn't being emaciated either. However I still feel it's very important to build a good muscle base as well. You won't become arnie or big like U_E by doing some weights unless you put the effort in and dedication TO become big which most people don't want. So it's not something to be overlooked.

Couldn't agree more Lifting also has a range of health benefits like decreasing blood pressure, lowering resting heart rate and increasing stroke volume. They both have their place. I still maintain that it's often overlooked in this forum You'd think OCUK wasn't primarily a sports forum or something

Ant

 

[janesssssy]

its just who wants to look like an emaciated albino ethiopian? Thats what you end up looking like if you run everywhere. Who looks better down the pub, the bodybuilder flexing his 18inch arms or the skinny ultra runner explaining how he can cross entire continents at a sprint? I have due respect for both but id only want to be one.

Sorry freefaller to post after you, no doubt you will take some sort of offence- its not directed at you. But OMG

I have nothing much to say but this attitude is disgracefull! I would recommend to the OP if you want to lose weight then do Cardio with a balance of weights to tone. Thats what i do from personal experiance but as you know everyones different. Im fit and healthy with a good amount of muscle... but not too much - I am not like an emaciated albino ethiopina! though

edit - am i in the wrong forum / thread? everyones talking about body buiding

 

[Ultra_Extreme]

Sorry freefaller to post after you, no doubt you will take some sort of offence- its not directed at you. But OMG

I have nothing much to say but this attitude is disgracefull! I would recommend to the OP if you want to lose weight then do Cardio with a balance of weights to tone. Thats what i do from personal experiance but as you know everyones different. Im fit and healthy with a good amount of muscle... but not too much - I am not like an emaciated albino ethiopina! though

edit - am i in the wrong forum / thread? everyones talking about body buiding

good on you for getting some tone, hope women rain down from the heavens at your feet. Incidentally try reading my posts, im not dismissing running im simply pointing out that an accomplished bodybuilder physique is better than that of an accomplished runner.

Running eats muscle, muscle looks good.