Bitcoin Mining Rig - £600ish

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Okay, so I've decided to build myself a bitcoin mining rig, hopefully for less than £600.

Basically GPU is much more important than CPU power, and AMD/ATI is about 5 times faster than NVIDIA, so the focus of the build will be 2x Sapphire 5850's.

I might use the build for some light gaming and general usage too at some point, but it's mainly for bitcoin mining, so I do not need an excessively powerful processor. AMD would be fine, maybe the Phenom x4 since it's not too expensive anyway.

Anyone got any ideas of a good build for this? A bit clueless about best motherboard with crossfire etc at the moment.
 
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Scam, boat has sailed for those wanting to cash in on it. £600 down the pan. If you want to speculate on the value increasing buy them at the going rate and see how value fluctuates to potentially sell to others wanting to speculate down the line.
 
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Yea, not worth building a new rig for it now. Either buy second hand (then the value on the items won't drop a huge amount when you decide to sell because it's not making you money) or don't bother would be my advice.
 
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I still dont get it, even with the answers to my questions in the thread I linked too.

Your GPUS are creating something that has a sort of value literally from thin air, the only people who would want to buy these bitcoins of you would seem to be criminals?
 
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I still dont get it, even with the answers to my questions in the thread I linked too.

Your GPUS are creating something that has a sort of value literally from thin air, the only people who would want to buy these bitcoins of you would seem to be criminals?

Yeah, surely they would be the currency would be under constant depreciation as hardware gets more powerful and more people start 'mining'

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Stulid, thanks for the link.

R.C.Anderson, thanks for discussing the matter sensibly using valid points. I have indeed considered whether the number of miners has already reached an optimal number, making it unprofitable for any other players to enter the industry. However, I have been wanting a new gaming rig for a while too (My last gaming PC is a 3 year old laptop...), so even if the bitcoin mining proves too unprofitable I wouldn't be too unhappy with my purchase.

For the rest. No, the currency will likely appreciate rather than depreciate as regardless of the number of people and the strenght of their hardware only a constant number of bitcoins are produced each day. Every 10 minutes 50 coins are produced, until 210 000 blocks something like that, where the number produced every 10 minutes halves to 25. In the end there will be only 21 million bitcoins. So in contrast to the paper fiat currencys there will likely be deflation rather than inflation.

And for the whole "value out of nothing" thing people seem to be unable to understand... Well paper money are worthless too essentially if you look only at the utility of use of the paper itself. It's the value as a medium of exchange that gives paper money value (As well as the forced value stemming from government force dictating it as legal tender).

Bitcoins are valuable because they are an useful medium of exchange. You cannot reverse transactions such as paypal. At the moment there are no mandatory transaction fees, so international transactions are much more efficient than using banks etc. They are secure and thanks to the raw computing strenght of the network it would be nearly impossible for an hacker attack on the currency itself (Obviously you can still hack individual users and try to steal their bitcoins from their PC, as has happened).

And yes, criminals love bitcoins, because it is anonymous. If they love it and need it for transactions, demand for the currency increases, which I believe is a large reason for the massive increase in value of the currency during the past few months. Even if you have no interest in purchasing illegal drugs (I do not myself for instance), it can still be interesting to look up The Silk Road to get an understanding of the kind of underground market that bitcoin helps enable.

(Mods, if mentioning the silk road is against forum terms just delete it from my post. I'm unsure. Anyway, not mentioning anything about how to get to it)
 
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I don't understasnd the bitcoin system, what gives these coins value?

What do people buy them with? It's not like you can buy retail stuff with them right? So, what value are they?

Can bitcoins be turned into cash?
 
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I don't understasnd the bitcoin system, what gives these coins value?

What do people buy them with? It's not like you can buy retail stuff with them right? So, what value are they?

Can bitcoins be turned into cash?

From my limited understanding (This thread was the first I heard of it) these "Bitcoins" can be sold for real money and the price depends on the current market like shares of a company. You "create" bitcoins by doing some sort of number crunching but as you may have gathered I'm not too sure. They're untraceable apparently which could aid in the trading of illegal substances for example.

Again, don't take my word for it but this is what I think I understand of it.
 
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I don't understasnd the bitcoin system, what gives these coins value?

What do people buy them with? It's not like you can buy retail stuff with them right? So, what value are they?

Can bitcoins be turned into cash?

Use https://mtgox.com/ to turn cash into bitcoins or bitcoins to cash. It's reliable, I've used it myself. Cashed out too. 1 bitcoins = 20 dollars roughly at the moment. (Keeps changing naturally).

The coins are given value because they are a medium of exchange and possess some necessary properties such as being scarce, secure etc.

You could turn your bitcoins to cash using mtgox to buy retail stuff. Or you could change bitcoins into physical cash by selling coins for cash on some exchange (there are several people sending cash for bitcoins. Heck, even I'd be happy to send you as much cash as you want if you gave me a low rate since I could then make a profit. People saying bitcoins are worthless are free to sell me bitcoins and I'll send them £5 per bitcoin in hard physical notes. I can then make at least £5 profit per coin just selling them on.).
 
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As no one seems to be suggesting any components I'll suggest something then you guys can point out if I have done anything wrong. I'm a little wary of the PSU, apparently an Xfire 5850 system only pulls less than 500W but it seems a little low. I am yet to find a decent and simple PSU calculator.


YOUR BASKET
2 x Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5850 Extreme 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card **OcUK Exclusive** £116.99
1 x AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 Black Edition "125W Edition" 3.20GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail £89.99
1 x Sapphire Pure CrossFireX 890GX (AM3) Motherboard - Retail £88.99
1 x Antec High Current Gamer 620W Power Supply £49.99
1 x Antec 100 One Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case - Black £41.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) £39.98
1 x Samsung SpinPoint F1 750GB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (HD753LJ) £28.99
1 x OcUK 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £14.99
Total : £603.90 (includes shipping : £12.50).
 
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Supply of bitcoins originates from a sort of number crunching on PCs, which AMD cards are far better at thanks to OpenCL. Due to a formula which rapidly diminishes returns, supply is kept fairly limited, and as the project progresses, you gain fewer bitcoins per unit effort. For this reason, the ship's pretty much already sailed on this one, but some people are still cashing in on it in the short weeks before the bubble bursts.

Bitcoins differ from any other currency in that they're not backed- there are no federal reserves, there's no Bank of England, and it's essentially uncontrolled. If the bitcoin market crashes (and it will) and the coins you bought for £20 each are now worth 0.000001p, tough. This means that any serious money you have in bitcoins should be liquidated as soon as you can.

That said, bitcoins still have their uses. It's a totally unregulated virtual currency, so transaction fees are kept low, and you can make untraceable transactions over the internet- for better or for worse.
 
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As no one seems to be suggesting any components I'll suggest something then you guys can point out if I have done anything wrong. I'm a little wary of the PSU, apparently an Xfire 5850 system only pulls less than 500W but it seems a little low. I am yet to find a decent and simple PSU calculator.


YOUR BASKET
2 x Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5850 Extreme 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card **OcUK Exclusive** £116.99
1 x AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 Black Edition "125W Edition" 3.20GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail £89.99
1 x Sapphire Pure CrossFireX 890GX (AM3) Motherboard - Retail £88.99
1 x Antec High Current Gamer 620W Power Supply £49.99
1 x Antec 100 One Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case - Black £41.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) £39.98
1 x Samsung SpinPoint F1 750GB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (HD753LJ) £28.99
1 x OcUK 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £14.99
Total : £603.90 (includes shipping : £12.50).

Looks a pretty damn good PC for the purpose. As a general rule for PSUs:

- Onboard video/no PCIe power plug on the video card: 300w
- 1 PCIe power plug on the card: 400w
- 2 PCIe power plugs on card: 500w

Obviously this means that if you're CF'ing two 5850s, which each have 2 PCIe plugs, you're ideally going to want to have about 700W.

Wattage calculators tend to tell you a slight overestimate of what they believe the total power draw of the system at full load will be. You're better off getting a more powerful PSU than this, because (1) you want extra headroom in case of PSU decay, and (2) PSUs operate most efficiently around 50% load.
 
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As no one seems to be suggesting any components I'll suggest something then you guys can point out if I have done anything wrong. I'm a little wary of the PSU, apparently an Xfire 5850 system only pulls less than 500W but it seems a little low. I am yet to find a decent and simple PSU calculator.


YOUR BASKET
2 x Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5850 Extreme 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card **OcUK Exclusive** £116.99
1 x AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 Black Edition "125W Edition" 3.20GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail £89.99
1 x Sapphire Pure CrossFireX 890GX (AM3) Motherboard - Retail £88.99
1 x Antec High Current Gamer 620W Power Supply £49.99
1 x Antec 100 One Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case - Black £41.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) £39.98
1 x Samsung SpinPoint F1 750GB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (HD753LJ) £28.99
1 x OcUK 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £14.99
Total : £603.90 (includes shipping : £12.50).

Thanks. This looks good, but think I'll upgrade the PSU to:

OCZ StealthXStream 2 700W Power Supply .

Otherwise, this was very much the type of build I was looking for. Many thanks indeed!
 
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I'd personally get the Antec PSU. The High Current 620W is a Seasonic unit, can't find any info on the SXSII, probably a CWT or similar

EDIT: 600W version of the SXSII is an FSP build, 700 may be too then.
 
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I'd personally get the Antec PSU. The High Current 620W is a Seasonic unit, can't find any info on the SXSII, probably a CWT or similar

EDIT: 600W version of the SXSII is an FSP build, 700 may be too then.

How do the builds matter? Genuine question, I am totally ignorant when it comes to this area and would like to learn more.
 
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How do the builds matter? Genuine question, I am totally ignorant when it comes to this area and would like to learn more.

Same way brands do really mate, they're considered the same way at least. The brands we see are, most of the time, labels stuck onto OEM supplies - main decent players being Seasonic, CWT and FSP. Last I heard, seasonic was still widely considered the best, often used in Corsair/OCZ/all sorts of PSUs.

Though they can be a bit misleading at times, e.g a manufacturer could design a supply and the OEM could manufacture it, but most of the time they're just labels slapped on.
 
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