Nelson said:Don't bother to learn how to tie a bow tie. The winning formula is:
1) Pre-tied bow tie round you neck for the beginning of the evening
2) 'Proper' bow tie in the pocket
3) When the time of the eveing comes that you feel an untied bowtie draped about the neck is the right image, pop into the toilets and swap them over
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bam0 said:If you want to look even more sauve a white/cream silk scarf under collar and lapels of the jacket looks good, helps you stand out that little bit more too, although i'm not sure how raucous fresher "balls" get so losing it could be a possibility.
Sudden said:My uni fresher's week thing has a Fresher's Finale thing which says Dress Code: Black Tie. Now I googled it etc. to see wht exactly it involves, and the internet says Tuxedo, white shirt and black bow tie. My parents though, say that a suit is ok instead of a tuxedo. (suit I have, tuxedo I don't, so would have to go and buy one if I need it)
Everyone here whose been to uni and events like this, what are your experiences? Tuxedo needed?
Also, what are some places to get a nice one from? Marks & Spencers?
The silk scarf I think might be a bit much 

the night of the event!W!ll said:Damnit people, in England it's not a Tux or a Tuxedo. It's a Dinner Suit.

SiD the Turtle said:What's the difference?![]()
W!ll said:Damnit people, in England it's not a Tux or a Tuxedo. It's a Dinner Suit.
Point taken, but atleast it's not being called a Tuxedo.qwerty said:Argh!! It's not a dinner suit either! It's a Dinner Jacket!! This is the name of the jacket and the trousers together, it is NEVER called a dinner suit! This has only come into fashion because uneducated people were confused as to how a DInner Jacket could include trousers.