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That's a good point. Still leaning/hoping for £999-£1100 max with VAT. I wouldn't pay more than that for less than 4090 performance if I went that route.
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That's a good point. Still leaning/hoping for £999-£1100 max with VAT. I wouldn't pay more than that for less than 4090 performance if I went that route.
You just described the original 5080 16GB. $200 cheaper than a 3090 MSRP and less VRAM but about 25% faster. Or if you judge against a 3080, about 35% faster and 71% more expensive ($700 vs $1200)
Let’s not delude ourselves Nvidia are beyond doing exactly what you described. They did it when AMD did compete, what makes you think with no competition a 5070, 5080 and 5090 won’t be lol pounds?
My best hopes are they release the 5080 at £1200 and even that is me being naively optimistic.
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its still a viable upgrade path for 4080 users [those who are currently using a 4080 and willing to upgrade] and also... jensen doesnt care much about this segment
Soldato
Yeah I guess in my mind it should the very top card that goes balls to the wall and price is out the window (which I guess it is) but the 5080 is hard to get my head around because it feels much more artificially limited, to presumably meet that lower price (4080 Super Pricing seemed to course correct over the original 4080 somewhat).
I do wish they had just gone with more ddr6 vram than less DDR7 vram. They will have to really sell me why they went this way next week.
As a 4080 owner I expect the 5080 to be a very viable upgrade path technically. It’s the price that’s the kicker for me.
My 4080 serves me well at 4K in the games I play using upscaling. The difference between 55 and 80 FPS on a single player game on a VRR monitor is meh, noticeable but still meh! I even purposefully frame rate cap at 60 just to lower noise and heat.
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4080 owners can now spend £1200 + £1500 for 4090 like performance or they could have just spent £1600 in the first place.
I know we don’t like Nvidia’s pricing but come on, don’t shoot yourself in the foot.
That’s exactly the problem. If someone was not OK spending £1600 for a 4090 2 years ago, they are not OK spending £1400 for one this time round.
I got my 4080 used for £900 about a month after they released and at no point have I felt like I got a bargain.
My son’s 7900 XT runs it close in raster (10%) at 4K and it cost me £630. Yes full in RT is a problem but very few games I care about actually use full RT potential. The rest run perfectly fine.
I got my 4080 used for £900 about a month after they released and at no point have I felt like I got a bargain.
My son’s 7900 XT runs it close in raster (10%) at 4K and it cost me £630. Yes full in RT is a problem but very few games I care about actually use full RT potential. The rest run perfectly fine.
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Soldato
Well we only have a week to find out. I think it's unlikely they launch another 80 class at £1200 again personally. The 4080 super came out last year at (£999 ish). The node is the same 4nm etc.
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sunk cost fallacy, the reality is that they are currently using a 4080 [and willing to upgrade], what has happened has happend..
...and so is the 5090 a viable upgrade path as well [4090 too is a viable option], all options are on the table
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In a normal world you think so but this is a world where Nvidia wants to prioritise their limited silicon supply for AI so it makes financial sense to keep gaming demand low.
Soldato
I mean there are very enthusiastic gamers working within Nvidia and they do a lot software side that they don't have to do etc.
For me it depends on what they offer us with the new cards. I won't buy for a tiny performance increase or for astronomical money as there are other options out there. It's kind of opened my eyes up a bit seeing how well this temporary 3050 card is running my games at the minute.
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theres a possibility that they might stretch the cadence for gaming products- once in 3 years, then stretched to once in 4 years etc.
or more capacity opens up through samsung/intel, which then can be deployed for gaming products, i think its going to be a mix of both strategies
eventually if nvidia's mgmt feels that AI demand has far outstripped global longterm chip making capacity, in that case demerger (followed by sale) is also an option - i feel this is a possibility after jensen retires depending on the existing industry situation
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The GPU market has shifted since 2022 (with all other markets). I would be surprised if it's under £1200 RRP, £1300 retail. Foremost among nV's arguements for pricing woth 5080 is there is they are effectively "giving" us 4090-class (but not really) performance. It makes little difference that the node is the same as the previous as nV is able to price much closer to market in lieu of manufacturing costs: it could cost them a thruppence to make and they'd still charge up to what market will bear.
5070 ti will be closer to £1000, retail at least.
Soldato
GeForce RTX 5080 and GeForce RTX 5070 Ti gaming PCs listed by first system integrator - VideoCardz.com
GeForce RTX 5080 and 5070 Ti on board first Gaming PCs IBUYPOWERPC confirms it will launch several systems with next-gen NVIDIA GPUs. First things first, the “leaked” gaming performance, as listed by the retailer, is not accurate. It is much lower than expected, so it is very likely placeholder...
videocardz.com
Another 5080 prebuilt has been spotted. Looking increasingly likely that the leaks about the 5090 launching later are accurate.
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but its all pointless imo, they will be announcing both products at the same time and then artifiicially stagger the launch by 2 weeks.. what kind of marketing ploy is this?GeForce RTX 5080 and GeForce RTX 5070 Ti gaming PCs listed by first system integrator - VideoCardz.com
GeForce RTX 5080 and 5070 Ti on board first Gaming PCs IBUYPOWERPC confirms it will launch several systems with next-gen NVIDIA GPUs. First things first, the “leaked” gaming performance, as listed by the retailer, is not accurate. It is much lower than expected, so it is very likely placeholder...
Another 5080 prebuilt has been spotted. Looking increasingly likely that the leaks about the 5090 launching later are accurate.
Soldato
The kind where the 5080 gets reviewed first, potentially more favourably when they don't have a 5090 in their hand to compare it to.
If I recall correctly the 4080 reviews had a lot of 'This is bad value compared to the 4090' in them.
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Is there a date on when they are being announced?
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nvidia themselves are going to show 5090 and 5080 performance charts during the launch event, all headline data on both cards should be available at the launch event, only minor nuances like uv potential, cooling efficiency, noise etc. will be deferred to 3rd party reviewers
Soldato
We'll know this time next week, I think the presentation is 2am UK time on the 7th.
True, but the numbers on stage will be shown with the DLSS4 AI NEURAL GIGGLEFLUX enabled and it might be harder to get an accurate figure out of them
They could also just be trying to trigger the FOMO in people that want to upgrade and might do so in the period where only the 5080 is available.
This also isn't the first time they've done it. The 3080 launched before the 3090, and the 4090/4080 had a staggered launch too.
Perhaps Gibbo pays them to launch the cards with a few weeks in between so that the OCUK servers have time to be fixed after they explode.
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Thanks! Not long left to go now then…