Not really as they can soon discontinue support on older cards by changing the way it works or adding some new feature like they did with the 3000 series despite them having the optical flow accelerator.
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You still need them going to have large install base for RT/PT, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.
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yes that is true in the historical sense but what they could also do is keep selling the 4090 and give mediocre uplift on the 5080 (like they did with the 2080 series) and price the 5090 to the moon.... unfortunately. Then when they want to wrap up the 4090 they drop a 5080Ti or something like that.
what Nvidia seem to want is to make you pay more for more performance and give as little away as possible
it all depends imho on what performance they are getting on the full fat die(s) and what competition exists
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If they do another Turing they will get slaughtered. Question is will they care? Their mindshare is so strong that they could withstand even 2 gens of being slaughtered and still come out smelling like roses once they release something good.
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Mindshare is irrelevant without competition. Is not like AMD has kept is "good guy" hat on.
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RDNA5 might change that? hopefully.
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Nvidia are well and truly cemented in now with their vast resources and turnover, only way for AMD to get more marketshare would be for government intervention or for Nvidia to just leave the consumer gfx market (both possible at this point). AMD will be fighting with Intel over the scraps
Lots to be made in AI tbf so AMD/Intel will also be targeting that and making plenty of $$$ too (Intel just announced their move into a dedicated AI chip).
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Nvidia are well and truly cemented in now with their vast resources and turnover, only way for AMD to get more marketshare would be for government intervention or for Nvidia to just leave the consumer gfx market (both possible at this point). AMD will be fighting with Intel over the scraps
Lots to be made in AI tbf so AMD/Intel will also be targeting that and making plenty of $$$ too (Intel just announced their move into a dedicated AI chip).
Would love an Intel moment for Nvidia to shake things up!
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Would love an Intel moment for Nvidia to shake things up!
Well don't hold your breath as it won't be any time soon if ever
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Agreed...dGPU is still profitable for Nvidia, and the price of the 5090 is likely to be sky-high, and people will still buy it.Well don't hold your breath as it won't be any time soon if ever
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Nvidia are well and truly cemented in now with their vast resources and turnover, only way for AMD to get more marketshare would be for government intervention or for Nvidia to just leave the consumer gfx market (both possible at this point). AMD will be fighting with Intel over the scraps
Lots to be made in AI tbf so AMD/Intel will also be targeting that and making plenty of $$$ too (Intel just announced their move into a dedicated AI chip).
Intel took 3 percentage points from Nvidia in late 2022 putting them at 3% marketshare, in late 2023 Intel had 1% marketshare, AMD took the other 2 percentage points off Intel.
So far Intel are fighting with Nvidia, and then AMD take what Intel gained from Nvidia.
Intel are how AMD take marketshare from Nvidia...
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AMD doesn't really try. To me it looks like they make a more pronounced arch change when a next gen console comes out, meaning they use R&D founds from Sony and Microsoft and then just ride the wave for a couple of generations. They're happy to put in at little as possible and collect as much as possible. I'm not expecting anything radical until next gen, so PS6 time frameNvidia are well and truly cemented in now with their vast resources and turnover, only way for AMD to get more marketshare would be for government intervention or for Nvidia to just leave the consumer gfx market (both possible at this point). AMD will be fighting with Intel over the scraps
Lots to be made in AI tbf so AMD/Intel will also be targeting that and making plenty of $$$ too (Intel just announced their move into a dedicated AI chip).
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Yeah because AMD designing the first chiplet based gpu that was in the works from 2017 was just them phoning it in and 'not really trying' right?
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Is that relevant from a performance point of view? From a price perspective it certainly didn't matter.
It's relevant to your comment that they 'don't really try'. It would have been much easier to go monolithic intsead of working out how to make a chiplet based gpu.
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Fair enough, but keep in mind they already have experience from the CPU department, this isn't something spawned to be a GPU thing.
There is bleedover from the cpu side they have said in terms of both hardware and software. Interests me to see what future iterations of it can do given what they achieved on the cpu front .
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Yeah, I wouldn't be too surprised if they come up with a dual GPU "thingy" with the next gen for the high end.