Blame it on Hiphop

[ElRazur]

This dude in my opinion dont have a clue as to what he is saying man.

"I would say to Radio 1, do you realise that some of the stuff you play on Saturday nights encourages people to carry guns and knives?", said Mr Cameron.

He needs to focus on real politics and quit using hiphop as a bargaining tool for his own ambitions. I dont see the link between hiphop and violence - No hiphop track has ask anyone to carry a gun or kill someone. In my view things are taking out of context. N one seem to talk about the positive message most of them carry e.g Black eyed peas-where is the love, Tupac - Dear mama, Brenda's got a baby, etc.

Over the past decades various social problem has been blamed on all type of music genres - punk, rock, disco etc. I guess this decade is hiphop decade. Anyway i am happy the way bbc responded to the accusation

Radio 1 strongly denied Mr Cameron's accusation, saying it took its responsibilities "very seriously" and followed strict producer guidelines.

It said hip-hop was a "vibrant" genre which sometimes reflected the "harsher realities of people's lives".

Full story here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5055724.stm


What are your views on what cameron said..

 

[ElRazur]

You must be joking, right? I've heard plenty of rap tracks in my time that most definately promote violence and murder, and very much in that context.
I'm not saying that I buy the whole "music/game/tv = violent behaviour" argument, but I am definately disagreeing with what I have quoted you as posting.

Please point me to one, most likely it was taken out of context. When a rapper speaks, he is like a journalist - He reports what he see and experience on a daily basis.

 

[ElRazur]

Does pop have a "street" culture that shooting people earns you respect, and is tied to the crime underworld? No. I don't recall The Spice Girls being part of gang scense, getting arrested for shooting people. There is a link in the rap/hiphop/other similar styles of that type of "music"

You cant make a connection between both really, It is what media projects on us. Most of this artist come from the lower edge of the society to make it big, their thinking and mentality is hence considered different....

Pete docherty (sp?) is a crack addict but he dosent ask anyone to go inject heroin. Yet the media potray him as some sort of danger to the kids. I think the problem here is we as a society as degraded and we wont hesitate to point blame at someone or something for it.

 

[ElRazur]

It encourages it as in it glorifies a certain culture...I dont think he meant as in the songs tell people to carry knives directly..

It is a violent musical genre...the angry and violent songs outnumber the good songs by a huge amount..

Having said that, its only music and people who are convinced to carry a knife by a song probaby would have carried a knife anyway..Just like those who are motivated to kill because of video games, probably would have been that kind of person anyway..

Just stupid scapegoating as usual.

No it dosent, it is an art - a form of expression. If i want i can do love songs or pimp my ride number....Whatever they talk about is often taken as an instruction to go an do something stupid.

There are plenty of Violent movies...sorry action movies out there but i dont here people making this kind of scapegoating of the actors/producer or the industry.

 

[ElRazur]

Thoroughly agree, about time someone said something. Its disgusting that 'artists' like 50 cent are kids idols atm, hes got a game where HE KILLS PEOPLE WITH RUDDY MISSILE LAUNCHERS!!!

Hip Hop Culture is a real downer on society, and is pretty much responsible for the Chav cult imo.

He is an artist and he's got a good marketing or PR company hence the popularity of him with kids.

It is only a video game, when i was young i played couple of vidoe games that are violent and i didnt go out killing people - I know the difference between reality and fantasy.

 

[ElRazur]

As a young hip hop fan, i gotta say i agree with Cameron on this one, some hip hop is very positive, some of it does indeed describe the harsher lives some people face, but a lot of it also premotes Gang culture, 50 cent for one is an obviouse choice here. Its him trying to say "im a gangster check me out arnt i cool" in practically all his songs and video's, with the attitude of enjoying being a gangster but only pretending to commit the crimes that gets him the rep of a "G" (i mean "G unit" come on )

a lot of people today cant see the fairy tale land of these so called gangsters and try and be gangsterish, the majority of the time they end up as just thug like and it esclates to brawls and violence. Theres a lot of hip hop today that glorifies it all in the same way WWF wrestling glorifies fighting, only kids cant see how ridiculous it is.

50 cent never said

"im a gangster check me out arnt i cool"

or implied it. I dont like his music and i dont think he will be stupid to say or imply something like that.

We live in a world where we love scandals, what celebrety get up to in their own time, gossip, etc. He lives in a society where the story of Rag-to-riches is adored, so when he talks about his stories i wont berudge him for that. We are forgetting he is an artist and he will find ways of inventing/re-inventing his ideas. He gives people what people want and i dont see the problem.

 

[ElRazur]

Well I disagree with Cameron.
Okay, you've got plonka's like 50 Cent with Get Rich or Die Tryin', and Terror Squad "East Side" stirring beef with "West Side"
And it's the same down here with artists having clashing opinions, with Ricochet Klashnekoff and Dizzee Rascal not liking Lethal B.

But that's a small minority. The whole Hip Hop scene is brill and friendly.

The whole west/east side thing was a media-misinformation. It just happen to be between people living in that part of the US. It dosent automatically means any artist from the west is an enemy of the one from the east, quite the contrary as there have been many collaboration across the "sides".

I dont know about Klashneekoff/dizzee rascal not liking Lethal B but i do know there was a rivalry thing going own between Lethal B and wiley. Lethal B did put an end to it in one of his tracks - I dont wont no beef, i wanna make money (Something to that effect).

 

[ElRazur]

Just look at this...


Either I'm trippin' off the ecstasy
Or I could feel the world turnin'
I'm havin' flashbacks, I can feel the shells burnin'
Comin' up, I was taught never back down
That's why I act the way I act now, hold the mac down
32 shots, squeeze til there ain't a shell left
Come with my gun smokin', you can smell death
They get the first laugh, I get the last laugh homie
Hit the gas on it, pull up and mash on 'em

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Can you specify what track and who the artist is? This is someone clearly talking about his actions and not giving any instruction/license to kill...

 

[ElRazur]

Are you actually serious? Can you type that with a straight face?

Nah im joking...Off course i am serious. You point me to where he said that please.

 

[ElRazur]

Pistol grip pump on my lap at all times
Pistol grip pump on my lap at all times
Pistol grip pump on my lap at all times
They can be ****ing with other ****** **** but they can't be ****ing with mine.

There you go taking things out of context. Look at the message the whole track is trying to paint or the story the artist is trying to tell.

 

[ElRazur]

Artist: 50 Cent
Album: Guess Who's Back
Title: **** You

Sure hes not directly instructing, but my word is he glorifying it massively. And thats just one track of many, that was just the first on i clicked!

EDIT: I am NOT saying i dislike hip hop, i love me some old skool. Dre before he went gangster, grandmaster flash and jurassic 5 are all on my playist, old skool 80's.early 90's hip hop is brill. But atm, you cannot get away from violent gangster rap.

I think glorifying and telling astory/painting a scenario is subjective...

 

[ElRazur]

Do you honestly believe that every 14 year old kid listens to the lyrics and tries to understand the deeper meaning?

Is it not within the realms of possibility that they like it because its full of swearing and violence?

I remember buying Bodycount and Ice T tapes when I was like 11 or 12 just because they were so violent and full of all those naughty words..

I was waiting for some one to say that!

Thats's why there is a Parental Advisory label on most rap cds. So in theory and practice, a fourteen year old shouldnt be listening to one and you sir, should not be listening to Ice T at that age.
The cd goes through censoring hence the PA label, the artist did what was required of them by law but are the parent doing their bits properly?This goes back to what i said before of scapgoating .I rest my case.

 

[ElRazur]

imo anyone who actually thinks sane peopel get the urge to go stab someone because of hip hop is a complete idiot who loves to blame stuff, its like people who say LETS BLAME GTA, LETS BLAME VIDEO GAMES.
And that kid who used manhunt as inspiration to kill his m8 (clearly not sane) was nuts in the first place, if he went up to his mate and sed say hello to my little friend they wouldnt say 'LETS BLAME SCARFACE'

As per the man-hunt story, I personally believe the guy needs mental therapy/treatment/help.
I imagine when he come out of prison and goes to rape a guy....his excuse will be "Oh i was made to pick up the soap in the prison shower"...

 

[ElRazur]

Sorry but this is blatantly a rap/hip-hop fan boy VS the mass of "normal" people. Im sick to death of it being the same sort of folk sat on the back of buses who insist on playing crap, hip hop and various similar theme's purely to provoke a reaction. The fact they (like the artists) seem to be extremely self centred and aggressive kind of says a lot.

The fact that (like ElRazur) they think of themselves as the best thing since sliced bread kind of says a lot too. Soon as I can find a western culture minus this kind of drivel im off out of the country.

Man, you seem to miss the discussion here instead you let off your personal demons man....

EDIT
Oh, since when did you become the judge of "Normal".....Seriously say something worth while or exercise your right to remain silent.

 

[ElRazur]

Parental advisory is an American thing...Its a RIAA label and its not even a legal thing in the US..its simply an advisory label....Kids are still allowed to buy these things..

and what do you mean you rest your case? I said right at the start this this was stupid scapegoating....but that doesnt mean that this music culture doesnt encourage certain behaviours..To deny it is just silly..

Showing your google knowledge here? I am not going to get into a debate as to whether it is legal or not. The point is there is a censoring system in place to make sure music like that dont fall into kids hand period. As far as the UK is concerned we havew one in place and it is ILLEGAL to sell to kids.

I dont know what you mean by "certain behaviours", should you be reffereing to violence then i will say that is just silly too.

 

[ElRazur]

My views are this dude in my opinion dont have a clue as to what he is saying man

That's what i thought too, he needs to stick to real politics and leave Tim Westwood and Hiphop alone.

 

[ElRazur]

The most apparent seems to be the amount of swearing that children are exposed to. Young children do listen to music that they don't understand and these words become normal vocabulary.

Burnsy

Like i said blame it on Hiphop.....Oh wait a minute what about Wayne "over paid" Rooney, Gordon "filthy mouth" Ramsey?....

 

[ElRazur]

Please stop confusing "Hip-hop" with these comedy gangster rappers that are flooding the charts these days.

GLC?

 

[ElRazur]

I was asking the wrinklies at work what they thought of Rap/hip Hop and all of them agreed it was about gang culture and shooting each other.
Whether that is right or not is down to the media but thats how old uns perceive it.
One of them also made the suggestion that the stupid hand movement that all rappers make is that of the firing of a gun and I seem to be agreeing with him.

Let me educate you.... on the hand and finger lingo.

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Even biggie represent the Westside

This means peace.

 

[ElRazur]

R O C (rocafella)

I think this one means Respect

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