BMW vs Mondeo Ghia X

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Right, so i had my heart set on waiting for an '03 plate or newer Mondeo Ghia X to come along, however, just recently i've started looking on autotrader at the BMW's, and for my price range ~ £6k-8k, i could get a 2000/X 3 or 5 series saloon (320/520 or whatever), the important thing is though, i know jack about beemers :D.

so.....

Mondeo Ghia X 2.0Tdci 130bhp?
or
BMW 3/5 series saloon?
(anything in particular i should look at/avoid?)

ta :)
 
I don't think the running costs are that different , BMW parts are expensive but this is offset by the fact that they rarely go wrong
 
That might be true, but driving a car and thinking in the back of my mind "I hope this doesn't break" all the time would do my nut in, safest bet is expect something to bust and expect it to be expensive to put right then you've got yourself covered should something go wrong.
 
No but the older car is more likely to suffer wear and tear, so some replacement parts are inevitable...

Servicing is not too bad if you find a specialist rather than main dealer...

Service items like brake pads filters etc are more on the beemer, but that is offset I believe by the joy of owning a car that is that little bit more prestigious

:D
 
Stonedofmoo said:
316, certainly avoid, not so the 318i.

As already stated, yes, parts can be more expensive, but, this is offset by better depreciation, build quality, driving experience and in my experience at least,FAR better general reliability.

Don't kid yourself you can properly run a BMW, especially a bigger engine model, at Ford prices, you can't, but with a good independent specialist and some research into buying the right car, you won't go far wrong.


After years of owning various Fords, Vauxhalls etc I switched to BMW back in late 2002, I got rid of my "M" Reg Escort Turbo diesel (70k) and bought a "J" reg 318i with 125k on the clock, ran it relatively trouble free for 3 years and then bought my current 728i (now 107k).

I actually found the 318i was no more expensive to run than my previous cars, its clutch was still going strong after 175k!, and above all else, the car still felt tight & well built when I sold it.

My current e38 7 Series is in a different league, tyres (18inch wheels) are circa £130 each, consumables such as brake pads, exhaust bits, suspension components are considerably more than the 3 series, fuel consumption is about 2/3 of the older car.

That said, I'm more than happy to pay for the ownership of my car, I left myself under no illusions asto what I was getting myself into when buying the 7 Series.

One annoying trait of BMW's I found on both my 318i and, ironically enough this morning on my 728, they seem to love to break exhaust mounts. My 3 snapped 4 over the 3 years I owned it, I've discovered my o/s rear silencers hanger has snapped on my 7 today! :( - In general I've found the cars to be well built and reliable, but, often let down by silly items.

My 7 Series constantly tells me my brake lights don't work, when they do. The Cup holders break if your too rough with them :o

I'd recommend checking to see if the radiator has been recently replaced. They have a tendancy to fail after 50k-60k miles. Fortunately, BMW recently lowered the price on the radiators so you can get one for around £120, plus labour.

Listen for any kind of weird noises from the transmission. If its making a whining or whirring sound, particularly in the low gears during acceleration, check the transmission fluid filter to see if it was replaced with an aftermarket filter. The OEM filter is labeled "FILTRAN" on it. Anything else can cause problems.

If the catalytic converters haven't been replaced and the car is nearing 100,000 miles, they'll probably need replacing soon.
Aftermarket cats can be had for around £250 / £300 but their quality/endurance is a very open question. The OEM cats can be had for around £500 (plus labour for installation, about 1/2 an hour).

The power steering hoses can leak, particularly on the older models. If you get the service history, check to see if they've been replaced. If so, you're in good shape.

The next time you get your oil changed, have the mechanic drop the oil pan and check for loose bolts on the oil pump. The BMW dealer may tell you its not necessary, but it is. Spending the extra £60 or so will be a cheap insurance policy against having a loose bolt get kicked up into your engine and destroying it. , a common issue with V8's in particular.

Firestar_3x said:
That might be true, but driving a car and thinking in the back of my mind "I hope this doesn't break" all the time would do my nut in, safest bet is expect something to bust and expect it to be expensive to put right then you've got yourself covered should something go wrong.
Up until I bought & ran my BMW's, I pretty much thought about things breaking constantly, I've found - thus far - such fears are unwarranted with my BM's, however, not for nothing did I buy my 7 from a dealer and made sure it had a warranty.

With regard to warranty's though, try to buy the car from a BMW dealer, nobody offers a better warranty imo.
 
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R124/LA420 said:
With regard to warranty's though, try to buy the car from a BMW dealer, nobody offers a better warranty imo.

That was true up until recently. Now the 'official' warranty in the UK is both expensive and rather limited, especially once the mileage rises; not to mention now having an excess.
 
Beepcake said:
That was true up until recently. Now the 'official' warranty in the UK is both expensive and rather limited, especially once the mileage rises; not to mention now having an excess.

BMW's approved used car warranty is still as good as it always was. Just after it runs out, you get the rubbish one :(

I'd have a 530d over a TDCi Ghia X if I could get a good 530d for the price of an 03 TDCi Ghia X. But I'm not so sure you can. You can get TDCi Ghia X for under £10k whereas a decent 530d cannot really be had for less than this amount.

If you can justify a petrol car, then 530i/528i every time.
 
What is it with people thinking BMWs cost a bomb to service. An X plate 3 series, just check its rear bushes have been changed or are not worn (although this is not too much of an issue on the 320s), and check its been serviced regularly. The fact that a Major Inspection 2 service comes round (on the E46) every 45k miles seems to be beyond people......even a normal Inspection 1 service (which costs about £200 at a dealer) comes round ever 30k miles.

Simply put, your BMW E46 should follow this rough guide:-

15,000 (Insp 1)
30,000 (Oil Change - £60 at Dealer)
45,000 (Insp 2)
60,000 (Oil Change)
75,000 (Insp 1)
90,000 (Oil Change)
105,000 (Insp 2)

Its only if things majorly go wrong that they can be expensive, and tbh, that rarely happens, as long as you know what to look for when buying one, you can check to see if its been done or not before you buy, if not, knock some money off....

For day to day running, they are not that expensive to run, and even parts are not that dear...

Seriously though, look into getting a 323 or 325 if you can, the difference in fuel economy is marginal and they are much better engines....

HTH
 
Oracle said:
What is it with people thinking BMWs cost a bomb to service. An X plate 3 series, just check its rear bushes have been changed or are not worn (although this is not too much of an issue on the 320s), and check its been serviced regularly. The fact that a Major Inspection 2 service comes round (on the E46) every 45k miles seems to be beyond people......even a normal Inspection 1 service (which costs about £200 at a dealer) comes round ever 30k miles.

Simply put, your BMW E46 should follow this rough guide:-

15,000 (Insp 1)
30,000 (Oil Change - £60 at Dealer)
45,000 (Insp 2)
60,000 (Oil Change)
75,000 (Insp 1)
90,000 (Oil Change)
105,000 (Insp 2)

Its only if things majorly go wrong that they can be expensive, and tbh, that rarely happens, as long as you know what to look for when buying one, you can check to see if its been done or not before you buy, if not, knock some money off....

For day to day running, they are not that expensive to run, and even parts are not that dear...

Seriously though, look into getting a 323 or 325 if you can, the difference in fuel economy is marginal and they are much better engines....

HTH

mmm i had a Inspection II at 60,000 mmmmm?
 
They dont always follow that guideline, it depends on how you drive it, also, replace 15,000 miles with an Oil Change as opposed to Insp 1, and then folow the guideline...

You'll see that Insp 2 comes in at 60,000 miles ;)

15k oil
30k Insp 1
45k oil
60k Insp 2
 
£60 for an oil service from a BMW dealer?

i wish that dealer was near me. mine quotes £180
 
Oracle said:
They dont always follow that guideline, it depends on how you drive it, also, replace 15,000 miles with an Oil Change as opposed to Insp 1, and then folow the guideline...

You'll see that Insp 2 comes in at 60,000 miles ;)

15k oil
30k Insp 1
45k oil
60k Insp 2


thats how I understand it though for most people they will come round more like every 12-13k miles

on mine the costs are about

Oil service £180
Inspection 1 £800
Inspection 2 £950
 
Oracle said:
They dont always follow that guideline, it depends on how you drive it, also, replace 15,000 miles with an Oil Change as opposed to Insp 1, and then folow the guideline...

You'll see that Insp 2 comes in at 60,000 miles ;)

15k oil
30k Insp 1
45k oil
60k Insp 2
mine actually came up with a oil service light not inspection but we couldnt follow back to determine what the last service was, even a phone call to the last dealer didnt help (or they couldnt be arsed!) so got the inspection II done to be safe
 
Rotty said:
thats how I understand it though for most people they will come round more like every 12-13k miles

on mine the costs are about

Oil service £180
Inspection 1 £800
Inspection 2 £950
ah that'll be an "M" then :) inspection 2 on my 330 was a reasonable £360
 
Bradmax57 said:
ah that'll be an "M" then :) inspection 2 on my 330 was a reasonable £360


if you look in the service book at the schedules it is very difficult to see where the extra money goes
 
OK, this must be dealer dependant although I find this odd

330d Oil Change at my dealer is £60...bearing in mind how much oil that lump takes (circa 6.5l I think) thats good.

Insp 1 = £220
Insp 2 = £300

This is on a 2001 E46 330d
 
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