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They DO do what we say. We elect MPs, that form a government, that appoints ministers, who determine what the tax rates are.

No, ministers generate laws, HMRC go off and interpret them, take people to court and create case law. Then ministers have to go, oops, this isn't working as intended and change it again. In no way shape or form do HMRC do what ministers tell them.

Just like the DVLA. Laws are made, they carry them out as they see fit.
 
No, ministers generate laws, HMRC go off and interpret them, take people to court and create case law. Then ministers have to go, oops, this isn't working as intended and change it again. In no way shape or form do HMRC do what ministers tell them.

Just like the DVLA. Laws are made, they carry them out as they see fit.
The inefficiency of the system doesn't change the philoshopy of it. My original point stands:
The DVLA is a public body and as such they should operate the rules that we want them to, for us to then play by. Unfortunately, the DVLA acts like the Gestapo.
 
The inefficiency of the system doesn't change the philoshopy of it. My original point stands:

Umm, you misunderstand. The DVLA and HMRC operate within the law and apply it as they interpret it. They do not answer to us. They answer to the courts as necessary. It has nothing to do with inefficiencies.
 
Umm, you misunderstand. The DVLA and HMRC operate within the law and apply it as they interpret it. They do not answer to us. They answer to the courts as necessary. It has nothing to do with inefficiencies.
No, I understand correctly. Please re-read my original post carefully.
 
Umm, you misunderstand. The DVLA and HMRC operate within the law and apply it as they interpret it. They do not answer to us. They answer to the courts as necessary. It has nothing to do with inefficiencies.

I think ultimately any service publicly funded by our money has to answer to us.

Would there not be outcry, if for example they spent their budget on cruises round the med for all their staff and stopped doing their job ? Of course, because its public money, and they have to answer to us.

If it was a private firm, it would be none of our business how they spend their revenue.
 
Would there not be outcry, if for example they spent their budget on cruises round the med for all their staff and stopped doing their job ? Of course, because its public money, and they have to answer to us.

This doesn't mean they have to answer to us - because they don't.

They have to answer to somebody, but it isn't us.
 
MrLOL has it. The ineffiency is the feedback system, as described by Pudney. The premise is still that it's a body ultimately created and given authority by us. We can democratically dismantle it tomorrow, and it exists only and solely to service us.
 
[TW]Fox;19496968 said:
This doesn't mean they have to answer to us - because they don't.

They have to answer to somebody, but it isn't us.

well they kind of do.

Because its public money that is spent on them.

When the country is up in arms about something, the government generally at least tries to do something. Not saying that we'd get the DVLA disbaned overnight just because we said so or something, but public services have to be seen as good value for money by the public. Otherwise they get criticized heavily. And no government wants negative press if they can avoid it.
 
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