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I was just about to suggest the same thing. I'd like to oblige but live a little too far away nowHomer-Simpson said:
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I'm loving "attempt to kill them". Even if you hit those at 30 (the highest the limit on that street could possibly be), you're not likely to be killed, and you'd have to work quite hard to hit them at 30 with a 10-metre runup (I say 10 metre, because that's how far you'd be behind the bus when it moves away- if there's not a bus there, then the bollards would already be up and you'd have to be even blinder to miss them). Of course, if you did hit the bollards hard enough in those circumstances to make death likely, you'd have hit the back of the bus if they weren't there.
This would be a good point, if the bus were between the car and the signs. But since it's not, it's completely irrelevant. If the car had also had a bus to either side of it, then maybe.
Demon said:
This would be a good point, if the bus were between the car and the signs. But since it's not, it's completely irrelevant. If the car had also had a bus to either side of it, then maybe.
PMKeates said:
Yeah, guess you're right. There's clearly no accounting for stupidity.
So, how about the following:
- The first thing we'll do is allow people to park anywhere
- Then we'll tell people to ignore all the signs, they might get upset by nasty letters with SPs, so let them drive however fast they like
- Hmm, now everyone's driving too fast and irresponsibly. So lets add active speed controls in cars to prevent them travelling faster than 50mph on a motorway, and 25mph in town
- Now we'll add some more cushioning inside the car, along with some nice cotton wool to further reduce harm
- Lets ban all the "fun" cars that are left, as they just allow people to drive too quickly.
etc etc
On the other hand, if people LEARNED TO DRIVE IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER, then we wouldn't need to have all the laws passed to protect us from all the f...ing muppets on the road.
Northwind said:
I think it's got more to do with the bollards coming up from underneath the drivers seat... They were placed right where the seats are as if they as trying to injure people. They didn't use a barrier because they were more bothered about punishing people who went down the wrong road instead of actually stopping traffic so they used bollards instead that raise in about 2 seconds so there is no reaction time to stop the car. Any decent system would have bollards that didn't rise if something was over them and didn't rise so quickly in an obvious attempt to cause damage. One day something will go wrong and one of the buses will be destroyed because of this.
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It would be perfectly possible to be killed by these bollards by either the impact of the crash (Not all cars are as safe as modern ones) or potential damage from the way the bollards sort of "puncture" the vehicle. There must be many many other options available to the council other than this system.Northwind said:
I'm not denying that you'd have to be pretty stupid to get caught by it, but stupidity shouldn't be a death sentance.
Viewing the original video clip of what seems to be a small collection of incidients, I think you'll find the people carrier hits the bollards at some considerable speed.Northwind said:I give up... Look at how the things operate. To hit them at 30 when they're rising would be a challenge.
They're placed where the seats are- ie, near the middle of the car- because otherwise you could drive between them
Reading some of you guys post it's like none of you have ever made a mistake whilst driving, like ever. 
Yes there are muppets on the road, but sometimes people get lost whilst driving and get confused and occasionally make a silly mistake.
It's just that here - making a silly mistake is going to write your car off, and just might put you and/or your passengers in hospital.
What about delivery van drivers who dont have to wear seat belts? What if one of your children undid their sealtbelt without you noticing? What if you had something heavy in the boot like a 25 kilo suitcase? I'd like to see where that ends up after your car comes to an extremely sudden stop.
What if you hit it at 30mph and the engine comes straight through the baulk head and snaps your shins clean in half? That'd teach you wouldn't it? To get lost in a strange city and make a silly mistake, pff.
But you can all rest easy because as we know - you're all absolutely 100% perfect drivers who never miss a sign
Yes there are muppets on the road, but sometimes people get lost whilst driving and get confused and occasionally make a silly mistake.
It's just that here - making a silly mistake is going to write your car off, and just might put you and/or your passengers in hospital.
What about delivery van drivers who dont have to wear seat belts? What if one of your children undid their sealtbelt without you noticing? What if you had something heavy in the boot like a 25 kilo suitcase? I'd like to see where that ends up after your car comes to an extremely sudden stop.
What if you hit it at 30mph and the engine comes straight through the baulk head and snaps your shins clean in half? That'd teach you wouldn't it? To get lost in a strange city and make a silly mistake, pff.
But you can all rest easy because as we know - you're all absolutely 100% perfect drivers who never miss a sign
Northwind said:I give up... Look at how the things operate. To hit them at 30 when they're rising would be a challenge.
They're placed where the seats are- ie, near the middle of the car- because otherwise you could drive between them
They aren't placed in the middle of the car, they are placed so they are under the front seats not the gear stick. Tbh you can already drive around them, theres a huge gap between the bollard and any object on the pavement.
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I agree. It's all too much. They could have easily developed an identical system using tyre-cutters (It's an idea, haven't thought it through) or something that will disable the vehicle but isn't going to write it off and has a much lower chance of harming passengers.merlin said:Reading some of you guys post it's like none of you have ever made a mistake whilst driving, like ever.
Yes there are muppets on the road, ...
...ut you can all rest easy because as we know - you're all absolutely 100% perfect drivers who never miss a sign
What we are losing sight of here is the necessity for such an extreme measure. Sure, if crossing the line in a car was going to result in a threat to national security, then smash the cars with bollards - it's a risk worth taking. But all this for a ruddy bus lane!? Not really a proportioned response.DRZ said:
Energise, shall I explain the word "near" for you?
Exactly. They're driving into a narrow, busy street with inappropriate speed and completely woeful observation, and they hit a bollard. Could've been a pedestrian they'd failed to see. Dangerous driving, it turns out, is dangerous. I'd sooner it's dangerous to the driver than the bystander.
PMKeates said:
Exactly. They're driving into a narrow, busy street with inappropriate speed and completely woeful observation, and they hit a bollard. Could've been a pedestrian they'd failed to see. Dangerous driving, it turns out, is dangerous. I'd sooner it's dangerous to the driver than the bystander.