Bonkers batty people

Government spending at its finest, general incompetence from people that don't know or care about how much things cost while "experts" throw increased costs at them for personal interests, often while having a very low understanding of how much money things need.

I've been watching local contractors absolutely fleece the local councils for years, they'll hire a million people for stupid things but they wont hire or screen anyone actually from the working class to advise on the things they do, and then should anyone dare ask they'll claim there's a billion different reasons as to why things cost ten times as much as they should have. When anyone asks, they'll appeal to (supposed) authority while bob the builder quotes them nonsense numbers because they know they'll agree to it.

I'm not disputing that bats might well need saving, or that having a design like that might help, I'm saying it shouldn't cost anywhere near that. The reason it does, and half the reason we have horrendous costs for any public projects, is because those in charge have absolutely no-blumming-idea about how much projects really cost so they get fleeced to hell and back. There's no communication because everyone is trying to rip off everyone else, what a time to be alive!
 
Gray2233 said:
Government spending at its finest, general incompetence from people that don't know or care about how much things cost while "experts" throw increased costs at them for personal interests, often while having a very low understanding of how much money things need.

I've been watching local contractors absolutely fleece the local councils for years, they'll hire a million people for stupid things but they wont hire or screen anyone actually from the working class to advise on the things they do, and then should anyone dare ask they'll claim there's a billion different reasons as to why things cost ten times as much as they should have. When anyone asks, they'll appeal to (supposed) authority while bob the builder quotes them nonsense numbers because they know they'll agree to it.

I'm not disputing that bats might well need saving, or that having a design like that might help, I'm saying it shouldn't cost anywhere near that. The reason it does, and half the reason we have horrendous costs for any public projects, is because those in charge have absolutely no-blumming-idea about how much projects really cost so they get fleeced to hell and back. There's no communication because everyone is trying to rip off everyone else, what a time to be alive!
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They could have built a church for half the money or much less. Bats like churches. Government contracts and ministry jobs have aways had silly prices, the thousand pound toilet seat and other stupidities have been around for ever.
 
Bats are pretty important to our ecosystem.

It’s a lot of money but our government wastes our money in other ideas that are actually useless so I’m not too angry about it.
 
Hagar said:
They could have built a church for half the money or much less. Bats like churches. Government contracts and ministry jobs have aways had silly prices, the thousand pound toilet seat and other stupidities have been around for ever.
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My local area spends (hell of) a lot of money retarmacking the local road every other year. Contractors come in, place one layer over the case of a day, and then never come back. It's all driven/kicked up a few days later and as bad if not worse than it was, while also costing locals more money during the period for windscreen issues etc that the council refuses to acknowledge. The expenses deep dive from way back when was not deep enough, not even close. We've a ton of middle management nonsense jobs and incompetent nepo hires in local councils all over the UK, but it's the same damned thing in other major UK outlets like the NHS. Yet consecutive governments ignore the fact, while punishing the poorest bloody people in society to make sure some random middle management and probably class kid can keep their useless job.

I keep seeing people saying we need to be more like France in some regards, and my word we need to start holding this absolute balls to account eventually.
 
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We have this all the time here in NZ. Since the cyclone early last year the money spent moving silt around and sieving it 4 times... coming up on 2 years and they are still ******* about with it!! Some Contractors are making a fortune and ripping of the rate payers , council does no seem to care, just ramp up the rates. And then there is our road....
www.nzherald.co.nz

Hawke’s Bay cyclone recovery: The slip that will cost $7m to fix

Project highlights enormous cost of fixing region’s road network.
www.nzherald.co.nz www.nzherald.co.nz

That is just 1 small repair of many...
 
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koolpc said:
This is so stupid and batty!!!!

www.bbc.co.uk

Bat safety shed will cost £100m, says HS2 chairman

Sir Jon Thompson tells a conference there is "no evidence high-speed trains interfere with bats".
www.bbc.co.uk
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100 million is insane, but "no evidence the trains will affect the bats", I wonder if they don't have evidence because they haven't run them yet, and when they do the driver is very unlikely to notice the impact of flying critters that weigh between 3 and 50grams hitting the front of the train, whilst the people cleaning the trains are unlikely to be able to tell if it's bat, large insect or small bird they'd be cleaning off (if they looked closely/did it by hand rather than an automatic washer).

Unfortunately you've got basically 3 or 4 conflicting legal situations that all have to be complied with and it's one of the problems when you've got a legal system that actually does take things seriously and will say even to a big government project "hang on you can't just ignore this law".
 
Kind of loosely related but with fireworks being a thing last few days saw a conversation on Facebook where someone was sounding off about the disruption they have on animals, dogs fair enough, but then they were saying all these animals where fireworks would make the parents abandon their new born babies... I just had to point out they were all animals which have their babies in Spring... didn't go down well.
 
What a waste of money

HS2 Ltd was forced to spend "hundreds of thousands of pounds" on lawyers and environmental specialists because the local council did not approve the work, Sir Jon said.
 
100mil, likely rising too 200 mil over time.
but probably 10 mil in any other country.

I wonder what the actual raw material cost is and actual manhours from labourers on the site, compared to all the money going to red tape and good old corruption.

Surely there's a cheaper option... what's that material they use as stadium roofs? all they need is some kind of wall that blocks bat signals

in my local park they seem to fly around 7-13ft high, but they are probably looking for food and stuff, I doubt they have much interest in flying low near train lines

I bet you could even just have some kind of signals around that section of the track, like those ones only dogs can hear, there must be something similar bats don't like.

send sound waves out that make bats think it's a wall or something
 
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100 million is insane, but "no evidence the trains will affect the bats", I wonder if they don't have evidence because they haven't run them yet, and when they do the driver is very unlikely to notice the impact of flying critters that weigh between 3 and 50grams hitting the front of the train, whilst the people cleaning the trains are unlikely to be able to tell if it's bat, large insect or small bird they'd be cleaning off (if they looked closely/did it by hand rather than an automatic washer).

Unfortunately you've got basically 3 or 4 conflicting legal situations that all have to be complied with and it's one of the problems when you've got a legal system that actually does take things seriously and will say even to a big government project "hang on you can't just ignore this law".
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We have had railways for hundreds of years, you think we'd have a pretty good idea of how they affect wildlife by now. The bats are going to troll us and start roosting in this shed.

www.networkrail.co.uk

Bats: our flying commuters - Network Rail

Did you know the railway is a commuting route for bats? Bats follow the landscape using sound rather than sight at...
www.networkrail.co.uk www.networkrail.co.uk
 
100m on a daft project is quite logical when you look at how much money has already been wasted on this failed project. Next they’ll be burning £20 notes to keep warm and why not it fits the ethos!
 
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