Bookshelf Speakers?

Don't all speakers plug into the mains and therefore have as much power as they'd ever need?

Tbh only cheap speakers with integrated amplifiers, from Creative, Logitech etc.

A proper set of speakers is simply a set of speakers - cones which take a signal and produce sound. The amplifier provides the signal and the power. A good amplifier will also bring out the best in the music.
 
^^ I wouldn't call a pair of PMC active monitors cheap!

OK, so I'm generalising a bit, but yeah :)

I don't see any amps in the store - does that mean it's not really worthwhile for average joe?

Depends what sort of sound you want and how much you have to spend. Pop into Richer Sounds and they'll demo a setup for you - I took a couple of friends in a few weeks ago and they were amazed what could be done with just a few hundred quid.
 
How do you deal with not having a volume control on the desk - I know there's a remote, but it's not the volume control I'm bothered about - it's the headphone jack that's usually built into it. I plug my headphones into the volume control and the speakers turn off and the headphones turn on.

There must be another way... other than faffing with the base unit?
 
My amp has a headphones socket on the front. Volume easily adjusted either on the amp or on the remote :)
 
I suppose, yes, to a point. One would need a switcher in order to connect speakers that have no headphone socket and headphones to a sound card. That's assuming front case sockets cannot be used. Sadly, the choice of switchers, is very thin.

Also depends on the headphones. Decent headphones absolutely do not want to be plugged into a pair of speakers. The socket is there for convenience, not to offer any kind of quality.

Plugging good headphones into a speakers headphone socket, will degrade the sound quality.

Stereo amplifiers from the likes of NAD, Arcam, Cambridge Audio, etc, have much better headphone sockets. They are still there for convenience, but have much better quality components connected to that socket. Most PC speakers, just have the bare minimum, to get the sound to the headphones when they are plugged in.
 
Been pretty busy with work recently, Thanks for all the feed back.

As these will look fantastic in my room with current appliances and furnishings Im tempted by Q Acoustics 2020i Speakers - Walnut Finish - Recommended power 25-75Watts and then adding Q acoustics 2070s Subwoofer - Walnut 140Watts.

Few concerns are space will see how they'd meassure and where I could place them as apparently placing these against a wall will effect the sound as it blows the bass from the back etc? Sorry for the all the technical terms in this sentence!

Now for this set up the two speakers and sub, What cable would I need to hook the speakers up to the Amp and also the Sub to the speakers/amp and then entire thing from the Amp I believe to the computer?

Now the AMP? Would I just need a base model amp or would buying a better quality with more capablitys improve sound quality? And also how would I set up the Amp to give the speakers/sub the correct wattages and so on? Really have no knowledge in this department.



"Now for this set up the two speakers and sub, What cable would I need to hook the speakers up to the Amp and also the Sub to the speakers/amp and then entire thing from the Amp I believe to the computer?" Edit - Not the greatest description ever so basically How and what will I need to get this system working correctly and to its max potentional.

 
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depending on the amp you will need either a 3.5 - 3.5 jack or a 3.5 jack to RCA (google it) also depending on the amp (and sub) you might get away with just decent quality speaker cable and just wire the sub like a speaker but make sure to run it through 2 channels :)
 
I binned my pc speakers for Q Acoustics 2020i's and a Marantz PM6003 Amp.

I am still to this day pleased as punch with the decision. These speakers still impress me almost on a daily basis.

Good luck with your purchase
 
I used to have a Z5500 system which was great but i moved to wharfdale diamond 10.2's and a marantz pm6003 about 2 years ago now, sounds much better and the 10.2's do put out a good amount of bass due to their size so im not lacking in that department.
 
Now for this set up the two speakers and sub, What cable would I need to hook the speakers up to the Amp and also the Sub to the speakers/amp and then entire thing from the Amp I believe to the computer?

Regular speaker cable to connect the speakers to the amp. Speaker cable can be as cheap as you like, or as expensive as you like. There are as many brands available, as there are opinions on what speaker cable you should buy.

I think anything up to say £2pm is fine. Personally, I don't see the point in paying much more for budget speakers around the £100 mark. As long as the cable is oxygen free, then that is the more important than whether it costs £1pm or £20pm.

You can buy some decent OFC (oxygen free cable), clear sheathed from the famous auction site, about 10m for £5. It's good stuff, and it's cheap. Currently I'm using Van Damme Concert Grade 2x2.5mm. It's 4x the cost of the clear sheathed cable, and I can't say it sounds any different. It is nicely made cable though, and being black, for me it's easier to hide.

If one is spending up to £1k on speakers, then the more expensive cables may play a bigger part in getting better sound from the speakers.

As for the connection to the sub. A lot of subwoofers have both speaker level and low level, or sub inputs. A lot of the budget amps, do not have pre out or dedicated subwoofer connections, so you would have to use the speaker level connection to the subwoofer. The QA subwoofer has both types of connection according to SuperFi, so there should be no trouble connecting to the majority of amps.

For connecting the amp to the PC, you would use a stereo RCA to 3.5mm male cable. Doesn't have to be expensive, just something well made. Depending on what length you would need, around £5 or so, will get a decent cable.

Now the AMP? Would I just need a base model amp or would buying a better quality with more capablitys improve sound quality? And also how would I set up the Amp to give the speakers/sub the correct wattages and so on? Really have no knowledge in this department.

The more money you spend on amp, the better sound quality you will get. A £300 amp will sound better than a £150 amp. If you buy a second hand amp, you can get more for your money. Obviously, you get no warranty though. Some people like the peace of mind a warranty brings with a new amp.

Well made amps are pretty reliable though. Buying a used TV is far more risky, as many things can go wrong. A good solid amp that has been cared for by the previous owner, should work for many many years to come.

I've got an Audiolab 8000A, which is around 15-20 years old now. I bought it about 2-3 years ago now, but it's built like a tank, and it still sounds great, despite it's age.

If you would rather buy new, then Onkyo, Cambridge Audio, Denon, Pioneer and TEAC, all have amps around the £150 mark.

You don't need to worry about the correct wattage. A lot of budget speakers have around 20w-100w power handling. Some may be slightly different. A lot of budget amps, have around 40-50w output. That is a lot more than it sounds. My 8000A is rated at 50w, I very rarely have it more than 25-30% volume. Any more would be way too loud for me.

What you do not want to do, is turn the volume up to max. Even if your ears can take that amount of volume. At near to 100% volume, the amp will clip and distort. If that is kept up for any length of time, eventually it will destroy the speakers. It's not volume that wrecks speakers, it's clipping and distortion.

Anybody would probably have to be near deaf to have a 50w rated amp turned up to 85% or more. :p For all but insane people, 50w is more than enough to leave plenty of headroom, so the speakers don't get damaged.
 
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I've got the diamond 9.1s (a pair) plus a NAD C316BEE amp and would highly reccomend the pair. Perhaps a bit bass heavy though (I used to get some bad bass bloom in my old uni halls and was half tempted to put boxes in the corners of the room).

I picked up the 9.1s for £100 and the amp for about £180 I think about a year back.

EDIT: Yeah, as the guy above says if I turn my amp up anymore than 50% I want to cut my ears off. I usually keep it around the 15-20% mark as I sit fairly close to it. I followed the rule of 20% of what you spend on your setup you should spend on your cables, I think it was about 2 quid a meter and then I bought my old banana plugs to put the end.
 
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