Boot issue, faulty memory?

famas

famas

famas

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Hey,

All of a sudden, my pc has developed an issue when booting from a shut-down.

Before getting to the bios post it will beep 3 times and then restart from the beginning, it will do this 3 times in a row then on the 4th try it will do a single beep and finally load into windows, but with different memory timings, and the pc is running sluggish.
I've had a quick google, and it's suggesting there is a memory fault.

I'm so out of touch with it all, I'm after a little help trying to resolve the issue.
I've tried reseating the ram with no change, getting into the bios is proving tricky.

It's an old ryzen 5 system with 16gb of teamgroup 8pack ram.

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Any thoughts?

Cheers.
 
on a lot of the first gen 3200mhz ram as way more then they could run, my 1700x was maxed out at 2666mhz.
try lower the speed a little

set XMP then lower the speed to 2666 and or try 2800 remember if infinity fabric should be linked to ram speed too

also your bios is massively out of date, your running day one bios

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Are you still having the problem if you leave the memory running at the stock 2133?

Have you cleaned or moved the PC lately? (I'm thinking of the cooler mount)
 
Thanks for the suggestions guys, you're going to have to throw me some rope here "speak as you might to a young child, or golden retriever"

Am I right in saying from the cpu-z data that it's currently running at 2128 (1064.1MHz) with 15.0 clocks?

I think after 3 attempts to boot with the XMP profile at 3200 with 14.0 clocks it fail safes to 2133 and finally boots. The pc seems to work okay but does seem sluggish.

Bearing in mind that it's ran fine for the last 6 years with the XMP profile.

I do clean the pc regularly, as it's an ITX case with an Alphacool Eisbaer solo cooler, it gets full of dust pretty quickly.

The CPU is water cooled with hard tubing, I've not checked the cooler mounts, do you suspect they have loosened? The ways it's configured, I doubt it would be loose, but I'll check.
ITX is a huge pain to work on when things go wrong, took me ages just to get the ram out!
 
famas said:
The CPU is water cooled with hard tubing, I've not checked the cooler mounts, do you suspect they have loosened? The ways it's configured, I doubt it would be loose, but I'll check.
ITX is a huge pain to work on when things go wrong, took me ages just to get the ram out!
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It is just a possibility, because sometimes boot/RAM problems are due to the cooler mount.

famas said:
Am I right in saying from the cpu-z data that it's currently running at 2128 (1064.1MHz) with 15.0 clocks?
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I just call it 2133, but yeah.

famas said:
Bearing in mind that it's ran fine for the last 6 years with the XMP profile.
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Hardware degradation is possible, but I don't know how likely.
 
Thanks for confirming Tetras, I'll check the mounts now.

As for changing the timings, is it just a case of disabling the XMP profile and manually setting the ram frequency to 2133, 2666 or 2800
I think there is also an auto option.
 
famas said:
As for changing the timings, is it just a case of disabling the XMP profile and manually setting the ram frequency to 2133, 2666 or 2800
I think there is also an auto option.
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no i would use XMP then just drop the speed down.
as its been running good for 6 years it could be a vulnerability fix put out via a windows update that just not liking your very old bios

 
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Thanks Warburton.

I checked the cooler mounts, and they seem okay.
I tried turning XMP to auto and the system booted straight into windows, so for some reason it doesn't like the original XMP profile any more.

I'll try turning XMP back on with lower frequency, will I have to adjust clocks also, or should i try keeping them at 14.0
 
famas said:
I'll try turning XMP back on with lower frequency, will I have to adjust clocks also, or should i try keeping them at 14.0
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I'd keep that at what XMP set and just see if it boots at a lower speed.

TBF with a 1600 on B350 board and day one BIOS i surprised you ever got 3200Mhz to work.
 
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Okay, I've turned XMP back on with the 14.0 clock settings and bumped the frequency up 1 at a time.

I'm up to 3066mhz with no booting issue yet, shall I just leave it there?

I seem to remember an early issue with this board of it bricking when people tried to flash with a newer bios, which is why I never bothered, I then forgot all about it to be honest.
 
famas said:
Okay, I've turned XMP back on with the 14.0 clock settings and bumped the frequency up 1 at a time.
I'm up to 3066mhz with no booting issue yet, shall I just leave it there?
I seem to remember an early issue with this board of it bricking when people tried to flash with a newer bios, which is why I never bothered, I then forgot all about it to be honest.
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yer if its working leave it alone, not like a few 100mhz is going to cost loads of performance.
tbf if it's working don't mess with bios but it could be worth a try one day, you have massive upgrade options
 
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Well this is truly bizarre, I've just bumped it up to 3200MHz and it's booted twice now with no issues?

No idea what's going on any more.
 
can you see if the infinity fabric is linked in cpuz

the NB frequency should be the same as Dram frequency. if its not this may be the reason it now boots
 
I'm not sure what "infinity fabric" is?

In cpu-z, under the memory tab, the NB frequency is showing 1596.2MHz
And the DRAM frequency is also showing 1596.2MHz

FSB: DRAM 1:16
CL 14.0
tRCD 14
tRP 14
tRAS 31
tRC 97
CR 1T
 
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famas said:
I'm not sure what "infinity fabric" is?
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Infinity Fabric is just the interconnect bus used by the CPU to communicate between the *nodes of the CPU.

You want your IF to run in a 1:1 mode with your RAM as that reduces latency and prevents inefficient interconnect performance but it can get very complicated and you can run in a unsynchronised config and have improved performance but it’s really really advanced stuff.

When you have cores all on one large silicon board, you don’t need an interconnect and this was Intels approach for years and Intel called AMDs CPUs “glued together” (which isn’t technically incorrect but Intel have now switched to the same layout because the costs of producing smaller sized wafers are much cheaper).

*Context: <I don’t mean node but I can’t recall the exact name of the clusters of CPU cores>
 
JollyJamma said:
If it happens again, try changing your CMOS battery.

That can have a weird effect on the BIOS.

Glad you’re sorted
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So I initially thought that this was the issue, but I've looked several times now for a CMOS battery on this board and I can't see it? I assumed all motherboards have one?

JollyJamma said:
Infinity Fabric is just the interconnect bus used by the CPU to communicate between the *nodes of the CPU.

You want your IF to run in a 1:1 mode with your RAM as that reduces latency and prevents inefficient interconnect performance but it can get very complicated and you can run in a unsynchronised config and have improved performance but it’s really really advanced stuff.

When you have cores all on one large silicon board, you don’t need an interconnect and this was Intels approach for years and Intel called AMDs CPUs “glued together” (which isn’t technically incorrect but Intel have now switched to the same layout because the costs of producing smaller sized wafers are much cheaper).

*Context: <I don’t mean node but I can’t recall the exact name of the clusters of CPU cores>
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While I read that and nodded along, I have no idea what any of it means :D but thank you.
 
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