Borging school computers

LordShadow

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Anyone ever tried putting F@H or any other project onto computers at school before?
Im thinking about putting F@H very discreetly onto some computers at school and seeing what happens :p. The only real problem I can forsee is that they are shuttles, would this mean they are likely to run too hot?
Also, as we are on a network that uses a log-on screen, and many of the PCs arent logged on for much of the time, would this mean that F@H would only run when someone is logged on?

Just an idea atm, but it could be fun ;).
 
lay-z-boy I believe tried it on a school computer. Don't know if he got it working (they are pretty well locked down). One of the admins found out anyway, I think. I wouldn't do it but hey if you are prepared to accept any consequences why not.

null :)
 
Lets go though a list of problems we have with this idea, putting into context that i have tried it and failed.


  1. Permission to install - you get caught you will get done for a long list of broken rules
  2. Power consumption - your school bursar, whether private or public will not take to kindly to the large increase in electricity bills
  3. Heat - not just the machine but the environment, our boys site IT lab has about 35'sih computers in it, idle, (p4 cedarmills & e6300) that room is very hard to exist in in the afternoon, i would expect the same effect for any other mass borgage.
  4. They wont see the point - teachers wont care about the reason behind it, it consumes school resources that = bad so they will not take too kindly to it
  5. services - you need admin privileges
  6. they are watching..... - the admins that is
  7. proxy - can be hard to get around
believe me, i tried it and after getting it to work as a cmd i recived a netsend from the admin (who im good mates with) telling me to stop before things get sticky.



Sorry to put your idea down but i have already tried in the name of science. :(
 
LordShadow said:
Anyone ever tried putting F@H or any other project onto computers at school before?
Im thinking about putting F@H very discreetly onto some computers at school and seeing what happens :p. The only real problem I can forsee is that they are shuttles, would this mean they are likely to run too hot?
Also, as we are on a network that uses a log-on screen, and many of the PCs arent logged on for much of the time, would this mean that F@H would only run when someone is logged on?

Just an idea atm, but it could be fun ;).
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I hope you get suspended. If I were network admin and some snot nosed brat installed software without my permission I would make sure you get chucked out of computer class for good.
 
yup the only way to do it is properly - approach whoever is in charge of the computers (maybe run it by a science/biology teacher to get some backup first) and give them all the information they will need

it's got to be worth a try :)
 
1. Permission to install - you get caught you will get done for a long list of broken rules
Don't get caught!
2. Power consumption - your school bursar, whether private or public will not take to kindly to the large increase in electricity bills
Teachers use more electricity than anyone. They wont notice a few borged PCs
3. Heat - not just the machine but the environment, our boys site IT lab has about 35'sih computers in it, idle, (p4 cedarmills & e6300) that room is very hard to exist in in the afternoon, i would expect the same effect for any other mass borgage.
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4. They wont see the point - teachers wont care about the reason behind it, it consumes school resources that = bad so they will not take too kindly to it
They don't need to know
5. services - you need admin privileges
There are ways around this. I happen to know admin username and password for my ex-Uni's network :D
6. they are watching..... - the admins that is
They aint, believe me.
7. proxy - can be hard to get around
Hard but not impossible


Not that I in anyway condoning any actions that will probably lead to your expulsion.... :p

SiriusB

*Disclaimer - All of the above is in jest.
 
Indeed perhaps borging the PCs deceitfully is totally wrong for all the above reasons, I guess you are right.
Never really thought of actually asking the IT guys at school whether they have ever thought about it - that might be worth a try if I could get like a good presentation about F@H and its benefits together, and ensure that they realise that it wont really affect them.... Will think about that.
Cheers guys.
 
It's best to ask first. You might be able to do it without getting caught, but if you do, not only will you probably get punished but it's also bad news for the project's reputation, and for that of team 10 which will be listed in your config settings!

Why don't you ask? If you do it without asking, you might get a few days of folding before they cotton on and delete it. If you ask, they might say no, but they might permit you to fold indefinitely. It's worth a try.

(edit) OK, redundant post :p
 
LordShadow said:
Anyone ever tried putting F@H or any other project onto computers at school before?
Im thinking about putting F@H very discreetly onto some computers at school and seeing what happens :p. The only real problem I can forsee is that they are shuttles, would this mean they are likely to run too hot?
Also, as we are on a network that uses a log-on screen, and many of the PCs arent logged on for much of the time, would this mean that F@H would only run when someone is logged on?

Just an idea atm, but it could be fun ;).
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They might run too hot.
Set it as a service & it'll run when nobody is logged in.
 
There is something you have to consider assuming you get permission to install F@H at school... will the school let you fold under your username under team 10? I doubt it.

So getting your school to fold would be purely to benefit the science, and not your own PPD.

SiriusB
 
SiriusB said:
There is something you have to consider assuming you get permission to install F@H at school... will the school let you fold under your username under team 10? I doubt it.

So getting your school to fold would be purely to benefit the science, and not your own PPD.

SiriusB
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I've thought about this and no i doubt that they would, but it would be beneficial to the project and there is a possibility I could wangle them to use their own username but join OcUK ;).
I had a think about it last night and I reckon that if I can make it into sort of like a publicity stunt for them they might just go along with it, so I shall have a go in the New Year. It has to be worth a try.
Even if taking into power considerations I could get them to agree to all PCs using 20% CPU for F@H, we must have well in excess of 70 PCs at school now, so that would be (in effect) 14 PCs folding full-power during all school hours which would be very useful indeed.
 
SiriusB said:
6. they are watching..... - the admins that is
They aint, believe me.

7. proxy - can be hard to get around
Hard but not impossible
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6. Yes they are. Well I do anyway. Someones got to keep an eye on what the litlle oiks are up to. :rolleyes:

7. That depends on what your admin knows about network topology and security.

Anywho, running folding on a school network is all well and good, but the performance isn't what you'd think. You only get about 8 hours a day worth of crunching time, which even with 100 ish computers (should be 300, ill explain later) doesn't produce that much. Sculptor is pretty much matching my output with how many computers on 24/7?
 
ask your admin
I've known a few school admins in my time and most of them are ok with worthwhile projects (most) maybe bring him a nice box of sweets/chocolates etc to butter him up a bit!
 
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