Bouncer guilty

[DELETED_36704]

Good job! hope this dude gets a hefty sentence for this. He totally abused his position.

I hate people who throw their weight around like this to injure others, unfortunately for the victim the punch killed him.

RIP

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5221728.stm

 

[penski]

Bouncer in 'violent meathead' shocker!

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*n

 

[Combat squirrel]

agreed, some bouncers need to know they are ONLY civilians, they do not have the rights of police and the miltary. Some however think they are the law and things like the above happen

RIP

 

[Greenlizard0]

I've seen some terrible bouncer behaviour here in Liverpool. Woman being thrown out (literally) by their hair etc.

 

[Kol]

Sadly there are good guys and there are bad guys. Some of the lads from when I was a wee nipper have grown up and become bouncers. One of them is the nicest of pie and is able to handle the situations, however, many that he works with will literally throw you down three flights of stairs cuasing major injury, to get you out.

 

[Abraham]

the punch has absolutely nothing to do with being a bouncer
as soon as he "appeared to spray Mr Farrell in the face with a substance that made him scream" he went past the rights his licence gives him
yes it's disgraceful behaviour for a member of door staff, however it is a case in extremis especially as the death is completely accidental (being as a result of the fall after the punch, not the actual punch)

 

[Greenlizard0]

the punch has absolutely nothing to do with being a bouncer
as soon as he "appeared to spray Mr Farrell in the face with a substance that made him scream" he went past the rights his licence gives him
yes it's disgraceful behaviour for a member of door staff, however it is a case in extremis especially as the death is completely accidental (being as a result of the fall after the punch, not the actual punch)

Still manslaughter. Depends on how the courts will look at it. If you accidently run somebody over would you say it was the fall that killed them?

 

[Abraham]

Still manslaughter. Depends on how the courts will look at it. If you accidently run somebody over would you say it was the fall that killed them?

yes, completely justified rolleyes, i'm well aware it's still manslaughter, he was charged with murder and pleaded not guilty, i dont really get your point, i said it was accidental and you agreed with me, the difference between a punch being thrown and being hit by a car is quite substantial, so no i wouldnt

 

[Mark A]

the punch has absolutely nothing to do with being a bouncer
as soon as he "appeared to spray Mr Farrell in the face with a substance that made him scream" he went past the rights his licence gives him
yes it's disgraceful behaviour for a member of door staff, however it is a case in extremis especially as the death is completely accidental (being as a result of the fall after the punch, not the actual punch)

The punch lifted him off the ground so it must have been hard. People have died from a single punch before so that punch could well have killed him even if he hadn't of fractured his skull on the floor. Either way i think murder is the right verdict.

Mark

 

[DELETED_36704]

the punch has absolutely nothing to do with being a bouncer
as soon as he "appeared to spray Mr Farrell in the face with a substance that made him scream" he went past the rights his licence gives him
yes it's disgraceful behaviour for a member of door staff, however it is a case in extremis especially as the death is completely accidental (being as a result of the fall after the punch, not the actual punch)

Rubbish lol :s

The punch killed him, poor bloke didn’t stand a chance. Its stated in the report, the punch lifted him off the ground.

No accident there, the bouncer murdered him.

 

[Energize]

the punch has absolutely nothing to do with being a bouncer
as soon as he "appeared to spray Mr Farrell in the face with a substance that made him scream" he went past the rights his licence gives him
yes it's disgraceful behaviour for a member of door staff, however it is a case in extremis especially as the death is completely accidental (being as a result of the fall after the punch, not the actual punch)

How is an uppercut accidental?

 

[El Gringo]

It's a pity, i'm at uni up in Aberdeen, and I've never had problems with the bouncers there, they seem to all do things completely by the book. An acquaintance of mine once spat in a bouncer's face after the latter disallowed him entry into a club. Instead of shoving his entire arm through my "bud"'s face, he called the police using a shoulder walkie talkie thing and the guy who spat eventually got kicked out. He actually got more trouble from the locals than the bouncers...

Having read the article, the doorman should be put away for life. While the friend went back to "remonstrate" over the excessive use of force, nothing in the article points to him being overly agressive or physical, NOTHING should provoke that kind of attack. The bouncer is a neanderthal.

 

[TaKeN]

How is an uppercut accidental?

My thoughts exactly

 

[Sequoia]

..... however it is a case in extremis especially as the death is completely accidental (being as a result of the fall after the punch, not the actual punch)

If you commit an act that was intended to cause "serious injury", and the result is death, then you are very firmly in the territory for a murder charge. Be clear - you do NOT have to intend to kill to be charged with murder.

But, it's a legal grey area. It has been extensively argued over as to quite where the line is, what "serious injury" is, and what "intends" means but, as a broad definition, if it is probable or highly probable that death would result, the charge is likely to be murder, whether death was intended or not. But, a some point, the intent to injure becomes insufficient for a murder charge. Exactly where that point is is a matter for contention, and is likely to vary from case to case and circumstance to circumstance. It has certainly been the subject of numerous cases, up to and including the House of Lords, for several decades.

But what IS clear is that if you clobber them intending serious injury, and they die, it is quite possible a murder charge will result, even if the death was "accidental" .... or rather, unintentional since 'accident' this was not. That is, in my view, eminently likely for the guys that were described as liking to chuck people down stairs, and also quite possible for a professional bouncer and boxer that hits someone as hard as this guy seems to have done.

And so it should.

 

[Broadbandplacey]

nothing accidental about it, like guy smacked him with significant force which resulted in a death - it was murder, and he deserves to spend serious amounts of time in jail

 

[z0mbi3]

Thing is the bouncer didn't mean for the punch to kill the guy. Think about it, he was a boxer so its not going to be the first time he's thrown a punch like that outside of the ring.

I don't really want to pass judgement, but its a shame there wasn't an easier way for him to learn that throwing punches wasn't the way to go.

Hope it serves as a lesson to bouncers everywhere tbh.

 

[big_white_dog84]

It's good that it's murder and not some reduced charge like manslaughter.

 

[G-MAN2004]

Most bouncers think they're 'something'. Hope he gets a long time.

 

[DELETED_36704]

Thing is the bouncer didn't mean for the punch to kill the guy. Think about it, he was a boxer so its not going to be the first time he's thrown a punch like that outside of the ring.

No he prolly didn’t...but he's a trained fighter and he knew that the punch would do serious damage.

Think about it this way, if a black belt in karate uses a special move and kills somebody, he cant say it was accidental. The judge will throw the book at him, its the same for this guy.

 

[Sequoia]

Thing is the bouncer didn't mean for the punch to kill the guy. Think about it, he was a boxer so its not going to be the first time he's thrown a punch like that outside of the ring.

Then perhaps this will teach him, and with a bit of luck, some others too, to be a bit more selective about using their fists.

As I said earlier, he did not need to intend to kill for it to be murder. If he intended to cause serious injury, and death resulted (whether he meant it or not) it qualifies. Of course, it can be argued what "serious injury" means, and whether he meant to inflict it or not. But intent to kill is NOT required for a killing to be murder.