Brake Kit - Advice
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Aye lol, was an ammusing thread on here a while back. Someone else remembers it too 
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I know what he means, but it was ridiculous because lets face it the kind of owner looking to upgrade his brakes to 4 pot or more isnt likely to be running on tyres off a wheelchair 
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Since when has anyone upgraded there brakes for better braking torque?
The main goal with brake upgrades is heat capacity and fade resistance so you get more consistent braking torque over time.
The main goal with brake upgrades is heat capacity and fade resistance so you get more consistent braking torque over time.
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Yeah you definitely need 14" grooved, drilled and vented rotors and 6-pot calipers minimum. No less on a road car or they'll be crap.
The fact that uprated pads and vented discs might do the same job means nothing to you people?
Edit: except Simon...
The fact that uprated pads and vented discs might do the same job means nothing to you people?
Edit: except Simon...
Same as every roll cage must be 90-million point weld-in, suspension is not worth bothering with unless it's Ohlins remote reservoir and anyone who considers fitting anything less than 30 point NASA spec harnesses is a fool...Jonny69 said:
People here (and on most forums in existence!) seem to have a real problem with picking the correct product from a range to suit their needs, and just plump for the most expensive/complicated solution every time. Very odd.
When I got a 100 amp welder I was told on one forum it would be "useless" for plating a sill and that at the very minimum I should have gone for the TURBOSUPERMASTERBLASTER TIG DELUXE 1500 GIGAWATT retailing at around £150,000 plus VAT. Whatever
There are people like myself who like the best irrispective of cost, a product maybe overkill but that doesn't make it the wrong product.
If you buy something that doesn't do the job it is wrong if it does it better than you need then its all good.
We all have wish lists just some people will pay the money to get what they really want not compromise
new pads may improve my brakes but every day I get in that car I will be thinking I want an AP setup and wonder what they would be like. It just seems like a false economy (buy cheap buy twice?)
I do find it interesting that on a motor forum with such love for cars people are so sensible. If you have a passion for something you should go for it and not think about the cost. We would all be in very boring sensible cars if we didn't do that.
Still trying to resist though
If you buy something that doesn't do the job it is wrong if it does it better than you need then its all good.
We all have wish lists just some people will pay the money to get what they really want not compromise
new pads may improve my brakes but every day I get in that car I will be thinking I want an AP setup and wonder what they would be like. It just seems like a false economy (buy cheap buy twice?)
I do find it interesting that on a motor forum with such love for cars people are so sensible. If you have a passion for something you should go for it and not think about the cost. We would all be in very boring sensible cars if we didn't do that.
Still trying to resist though
I think that's a bit of a silly argument to be honest.
In that case why aren't we all driving round in brand new Bugatti EB110's or other similar supercars? And why don't those who are passionate about houses all live in gigantic rock star mansions? Surely if they are passionate about it they should just go for it and not think about the cost?
But they don't, because they can't afford it and they'd end up living on the street having been cleaned out by the bailiffs and debt collectors.
Why don't I buy the absolute most expensive cheese I can? I've tried lots of different cheeses, heard other people's opinions on cheese, read cheese magazines - I'm pretty up on things in the world of cheddar.
I can afford even the fanciest of cheddars, and as I'm passionate about the stuff then why don't I just pick what is regarded as the best or most expensive brand? Because I don't need to. I have found a cheese that suits my needs for £2, it satisfies my cheesy desire and performs well in the environment I choose to use it in. To buy the £20 cheese just because it's "the best" would just be pointless unless I wanted people to think I was very rich.
If any motoring enthusiast only bought "the best and to hell with the cost" then why do manufacturers of aftermarket parts produce a range of products - be it brakes, seats, suspension, tyres - as surely the petrolhead would just pick the most expensive or best one and ignore the rest? Companies produce ranges for a reason - so that you can pick the product to do the job needed.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to fill my tyres with nitrogen, top up the tank with 110 RON race fuel and polish my kevlar-bodied 205
In that case why aren't we all driving round in brand new Bugatti EB110's or other similar supercars? And why don't those who are passionate about houses all live in gigantic rock star mansions? Surely if they are passionate about it they should just go for it and not think about the cost?
But they don't, because they can't afford it and they'd end up living on the street having been cleaned out by the bailiffs and debt collectors.
Why don't I buy the absolute most expensive cheese I can? I've tried lots of different cheeses, heard other people's opinions on cheese, read cheese magazines - I'm pretty up on things in the world of cheddar.
I can afford even the fanciest of cheddars, and as I'm passionate about the stuff then why don't I just pick what is regarded as the best or most expensive brand? Because I don't need to. I have found a cheese that suits my needs for £2, it satisfies my cheesy desire and performs well in the environment I choose to use it in. To buy the £20 cheese just because it's "the best" would just be pointless unless I wanted people to think I was very rich.
If any motoring enthusiast only bought "the best and to hell with the cost" then why do manufacturers of aftermarket parts produce a range of products - be it brakes, seats, suspension, tyres - as surely the petrolhead would just pick the most expensive or best one and ignore the rest? Companies produce ranges for a reason - so that you can pick the product to do the job needed.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to fill my tyres with nitrogen, top up the tank with 110 RON race fuel and polish my kevlar-bodied 205
I can understand both sides of the arguement here. Whilst I don't like wasting money (hey, I'm a Northerner!) I'd rather spend a bit more on the right product than save a few quid by getting a cheaper alternative which may not be suitable as I'd only end up buying the more expensive one anyway.
If Steve can afford some monster brakes then I don't see why he shouldn't get them, however if just a set of uprated pads would give him 90% of the benefit for 10% of the cost then it's a no-brainer.
If Steve can afford some monster brakes then I don't see why he shouldn't get them, however if just a set of uprated pads would give him 90% of the benefit for 10% of the cost then it's a no-brainer.
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Are they the 'monster brakes' that never see sensible temperatures on the road with equally inappropriate friction compound that needs lots of heat to get decent friction coofficients? And simply serve to drive up the unsprung mass of the car and massively wear the rotors as the pads are always operating in their abrasive temp range rather than adherant range? Only thing monster is about them is there similarity to the bogyman, ie lots of potential but never really comes out the cupboard to do anything.
So i disagree that you are understanding both sides of the argument here.
Lets be honest, since when did BMW M models lack solid engineering fundamentals as a whole package. As a 'product' you'll find it hard to excel over an M3.
So i disagree that you are understanding both sides of the argument here.
Lets be honest, since when did BMW M models lack solid engineering fundamentals as a whole package. As a 'product' you'll find it hard to excel over an M3.