Braking round corners

DannyW

DannyW

DannyW

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Hi, I was going round a tight bend at about 15 mph, steering wheel turned to about a quater, and I had to do an emergancy stop (someone turning onto a farm track) but the car just went strait on, luckily i didnt hit out, but it was very scary I nearly ended up in a ditch. I could also feel the ABS working really fast but the car wasnt really stopping :(

Is this normal ???

Car is a 307 Hire car its got ABS but no ESP.

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I would have thought that at 15MPH the car would stop fairly instantly. Was there anything on the road?
 
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how wet was it? Guessing it being a hire car it had ditch finders on it too, but you really really shouldnt brake on corners, does tend to send you straight on :p
 
Its only done 3000 miles and its on mitchellin tyres which grip really well compared to the eco tyres ive got on my focus.

It felt like 15 mph it may have been a tad quicker i wasnt watch the speedo lol

It was dry but cold.
 
The ABS was probably fighting for traction itself. Maybe that part of the road was greasy or had dirt/sand/grit/leaves on it? Would be damn bad luck if so :p Always try to brake in a straight line - and in an 'emergency situation' like that don't be afraid to use all the road (if immediately safe of course) to detangle yourself.

The roads are really greasy at the moment, I got the rear out yesterday doing barely 15mph round a hair pin b-road corner.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Braking on corners unbalances the car, however its not always a bad thing.;)
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Yup I remember on the VXR trackday one of the racing drivers actually recommended braking through some corners to shift the weight upfront to give the front end a little more grip :) He called it trail braking or something and said that some people do it, some don't.
 
it can be useful if you know what the effect of your input is and know how to use the effect of the input. otherwise just do what the instructor tells you
 
I believe him when he says 15mph. There is a corner in my local Tesco car park where you sometimes slide straight ahead even if you are NOT braking, it happened to me in my Saxo a few times. It catches you out even more because you are going so slow you don't expect it.
 
AcidHell2 said:
As others has said there was no way that would happen at 15mph.
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Except theres plenty of reasons why it can and does.

I've had an artic jack-knife on me at under 10 MPH!

very unusual for it to happen in the dry, question is, why?

I killed my previous Escort TD @ circa 10 mph on a trip to Toys are Us on the Festival park in Stoke,back when Gran Turismo 3 came out for the PS2! (I remember that trip well, it cost me a lot more than the game!)



The car went straight on, in the dry, into a raised kerb that bent my front suspension!

Why? I had no idea.


That said, I will often brake in mid bend, especially in the truck, the trick is being gentle.
 
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R124/LA420 said:
Except theres plenty of reasons why it can and does.

I've had an artic jack-knife on me at under 10 MPH!

very unusual for it to happen in the dry, question is, why?

I killed my previous Escort TD @ circa 10 mph on a trip to Toys are Us on the Festival park in Stoke,back when Gran Turismo 3 came out for the PS2! (I remember that trip well, it cost me a lot more than the game!)



The car went straight on, in the dry, into a raised kerb that bent my front suspension!

Why? I had no idea.


That said, I will often brake in mid bend, especially in the truck, the trick is being gentle.
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some things wrong with your car, if it's wet and there's oil on the road then maybe a slight slip. But 15mph, you can stop on a dime head.
 
AcidHell2 said:
some things wrong with your car, if it's wet and there's oil on the road then maybe a slight slip. But 15mph, you can stop on a dime head.
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Oh yes, when getting the damage repaired, I found the Escort had been previously involved in an accident & not repaired properly! :o

I reckon somethings up with the OP's car.
 
Might have been going to slow for the ABS to work properly, depending on the speed sensors the ABS stops working below x speed and locks up the wheels.
 
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