Brazilian Grand Prix 2010, Interlagos Circuit - Race 18/19

[Glaucus]

You say RB/Seb will switch, I say, link please ?

I'm looking but not everything is uploaded. if you watched the after race commentary. Horner confirmed they would switch.

Again statistics don't matter.

 

[Glaucus]

Tbh, even if they say it, I will be very surprised if Vettel carries it out.
And tbalsoh, it kinda flies in the face of everything that Horner was complaining about when Ferrari did the same in Germany. Regardless of when it takes place, they will still constitute team orders and a manipulation of results.

Apart from massive difference FIA have now pretty much said team orders are allowed and horner will only do it based on mathematical reasons. which is why it didn't happen today.

 

[Glaucus]

Evidently they do since I am assuming you are using the 7 point difference between Webber and Vettel as your basis of comparison that Webber is the superior driver over the course of the season. Points are still a statistic.

A rule which happens to be statistic that is the only bases for the Championship. non of the others are.

 

[Glaucus]

What are the betting odds now on Hamilton winning the WC?

If Vettel and Webber crash, Alonso his engine blows and Hamilton wins it would be a real shocker

Alonso 8/11
Webber 7/4
Vettle 7/1
Hamilton 100/1

 

[Glaucus]

After searching for the safetycar rule I think that this applies to every driver apart from the car in front, at some point the car in front can dictate the pace and every other driver must be within 10 car lengths of the car in front.

I thought (may be wrong) had to keep up until SC turns it's lights of, indicating it is coming in, at which point leader acts as the SC till the SC line.

 

[Glaucus]

I think Vettel would rather have Alonso win than to help Webber win it, if he is leading and Webber is 2nd it will be interesting to see if he suddenly overshoots a corner with 2 laps to go.

Guaranteed to move over. Vettle said this on one of the Friday interviews and confirmed by horner after the race. But it will only happen on the last lap and only if it guarantees WDC for RBR.

Yes, but I think the 10 car length still applies to the people behind the leader at that time.

yep

Edit - Maybe not

40.11 When the clerk of the course decides it is safe to call in the safety car the message "SAFETY CAR IN THIS LAP" will be displayed on the timing monitors and the car's orange lights will be extinguished This will be the signal to the teams and drivers that it will be entering the pit lane at the end of that lap.
At this point the first car in line behind the safety car may dictate the pace and, if necessary, fall more than ten car lengths behind it.
In order to avoid the likelihood of accidents before the safety car returns to the pits, from the point at which the lights on the car are turned out drivers must proceed at a pace which involves no erratic acceleration or braking nor any other manoeuvre which is likely to endanger other drivers or impede the restart.
As the safety car is approaching the pit entry the yellow flags and SC boards will be withdrawn and, other than on the last lap of the race, replaced by waved green flags with green lights at the Line. These will be displayed until the last car crosses the Line.

 

[Glaucus]

only 40/1 on sky sports.
Has something changed, most of teh bet sites I can not see odds unless I create an account.

 

[Glaucus]

I've said this before, but Webber winning the title will devalue the WDC. Webber does not belong in the same category as Senna, MSc, Mansell, Prost, Alonso, Hamilton, Alonso, etc. These drivers are all top line drivers. I would much rather Vettel or Alonso win the title as they are both top line drivers.
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Didn't you say that last year with JB,
Who ever wins it deserves, there is no devaluation going on. Webber won;t be in the same league as them. They all won multiple times.

 

[Glaucus]

But if LH didn't push then he wouldn't be a WDC and he wouldn't have nearly as many points this year as he has.

This is why what IF, DNF and reliability is pointless to wonder. Everything affects everything else and the only thing that matters is the points at the end of the season.

 

[Glaucus]

Webber on the other hand is getting beat in pretty much every race, e.

That's utter BS, just look at the points.

 

[Glaucus]

No such thing as luck.

 

[Glaucus]

I depair... I really do.

why?

everything is a result of something else.

What's the chances he always gets the poorer machined parts, or is it to do with how hard he pushes his luck.

Either way luck is not involved.

Or have you got some scientific evidence and support for such a claim as luck exists.

 

[Glaucus]

sure there is but you make your own luck.

the fact you make it, means it's not luck.

the force that causes things, especially good things, to happen to you by chance and not as a result of your own efforts or abilities

In other words a random event not caused by anything. That is never ever the case.

however it's easier to use the word luck, especially when the reasons aren't known. So still a useful word.

 

[Glaucus]

no., its called playing the odds, luck does not exist.

 

[Glaucus]

the fact you make it, means it's not luck.



In other words a random event not caused by anything. That is never ever the case.

however it's easier to use the word luck, especially when the reasons aren't known. So still a useful word.

even throwing a dice is not random if you have the veribles and did some complicated maths you could find the result.

 

[Glaucus]

But luck is never refereed to as the uncertain event. When people say luck, as in this thread. It is said as if it is the driving force behind it. That is never the case.

luck noun

the force that causes things, especially good things, to happen to you by chance and not as a result of your own efforts or abilitiess

 

[Glaucus]

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This is not the case, luck it the traditional sense id the driving force behind events. That is why it does not exist. It is not a driving force. It does not make stuff happen.

Even uncertain things can be calculated given enough inputs and the correct maths. That's what science is a predictive model and the better we get at it the more we can predict correctly.

As I said it's still a useful word, when we don;t know the reasons behind it as it's much simpler to say luck than x.y.z.
But that is not how it's been used in this thread, it has been used as some sort of driving force, that is just wrong. Everything happens for a reason.

 

[Glaucus]

Well yes, of course it probably could be predicted.

If you knew the exact speed and angle the dice were thrown at, the precise composition of the surface it was thrown onto, and perhaps the air pressure/temperature/flow at the time, you could conceivably, after some serious mathematical calculation, work out the number it would land on.


So to say there's no such thing as luck is pretty silly.

How is it silly, you just explained why it isn't luck. Luck is a driving force. there is no force as you just explained.

 

[Glaucus]

It's not a force in the way that gravity or magnetism is a force sure, but you can't go saying "Oh it doesn't exist because it's not a tangible, measurable thing",

Yes I can, because that is exactly how it has been used in this thread. If it is not tangible it does not exist.

I dont understand what you mean by a "driving force". Are you refering to it as something similar to electricity/love/the things we cant see?

yes, it directly changes or influences the outcome. That is the meaning of luck and how it has been used in this thread.

If he had more luck his engine wouldn't of blown and a 101 over things. It's not luck it's probably those extra 100rpm.

 

[Glaucus]

:facepalm:

the word exists as does it's meaning, but there is no luck force, which influences results. Ala luck does not exist in that sense.