Broke in 2 - my AMD 6000+ X2 - Fixable?

[BassPwr]

Broke in 2 - my AMD 6000+ X2 - Fixable? (pics added)

Hello everyone,

I'm a long time lurker here but I suppose this is good as time as any to take the plunge!

I have a rather disturbing true story to tell, while (admittedly not taking my time) removing the heatsink from a motherboard recently, the cpu (an amd 6000+ x2 3ghz) came off with it. While trying to remove the cpu from the heatsink afterwards, I managed to break the pin half of the cpu off the silver coloured part which attaches to the heatsink. The rectange core section is fixed to the silver coloured half, but I think it's supposed to be fixed in onto the half with the pins on? there's black stuff on the core section, I assume which sealed it to the pin half.

I also managed to bend a few pins, but I've straightened them out now.

Is the CPU too far from saving?
Is the core section on the wrong half and would it need removing from the silver coloured half and resealing onto the pin half?
There's a black material shaped groove around the edge of the pin half, I think this helped seal the 2 halves together, but it would need something to help seal it again.

Pushing the 2 halves together doesn't help, because they just become loose again, wouldn't be good on a motherboard, although since the heatsink is held in place I suppose it could be usable - not sure.

What does anyone think? any advice appreciated, oh, you can tell me how clumsy I am too

If anyone is interested, I could put some photos up...

 

[BassPwr]

Hi and welcome and claimed! I guess you may well be lucky, simply putting the two halves together and refitting the heatsink and fan to the Mobo may well be ok. I do not take any responcibility for any harm which may occur!

Thanks for the welcome
don't worry, I won't come looking for you if I try anything that results in my hair getting burnt off.

Well, I'll probably try fitting it to another mobo tomorrow then. Reason I was removing it was because of a suspected faulty MSI K9N Ultra, but I was going to test the cpu in an Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA to rule the cpu out. Problem I was having on the MSI was I had used that mobo and cpu fine for a few months until recently I was experiencing random shutdowns, and then system refused to power up completely (was power to the mobo, fans came on for 1 sec after power button pushed but then everything turned off). Funnily enough after the cpu had been removed from the MSI I connected just the main HD (no cards, just 1 stick of ram) and the drive spun up fine... but I'm not sure that indicates it's the CPU that was the problem, which is why I wanted to try it on another mobo. I tried another PSU before and it was doing the same (shutdown problems).

thaat sounds like a mess, if the core is away from the pcb then its rip

you gota post some pictures

edit: does it look something like this

.... just superglue it together and RMA it lol

It looks exactly like that, but the core rectangle is on the right hand part, not the pin part, I think it somehow tore off when the 2 parts seperated, reason they seperated was because I was trying to do a lifting method at first gently with flat head screwdrivers, which obviously wasn't the best road to take.

lol, it has been a messy experience, the thermal pad I used was a bitch and sealed so damn tight, but to be fair, the cpu has been unused for some weeks, so it's been harder to seperate. I didn't have a hairdryer handy, I had to use grippers and do a twisting method.. grippers gripping the cpu in 1 hand and heatsink in other hand, twisting in opposite directions to seperate. I've taken cpus from heatsinks before, but they have usually been much easier because the pad/paste has been used more recently.

You can run it without the heatspreader, Just make sure you dont get any thermal paste on the components around the core of the chip, Also be carefull when installing the heatsink as you can crush or chip the unprotected core. If it doesnt work bin it and buy a new chip as AMD will never accept the chip back under warranty.

Run without it? hmm, didn't know that was possible, are you sure it's possible with a cpu like this? it's a hot head lol thanks for the advice.

either im reading that wrong or the core has been ripped from the socket

yeah, it has been ripped, that's a good word to describe it

 

[BassPwr]

Sorry, I've been busy recently.. working on it

 

[BassPwr]

OK this topic really deserves some pictures, sorry for the long wait. You can all inspect and tell me if the core really has been ripped out, confirmation would be nice. But I'm pretty sure it looks beyond help/repair.

See link above each image to full size original photo.

CPU section

Side showing the pins, some of these were bent, but I bent them back with a tiny flat headed screwdriver.
Full Size: http://www.acidtechno.net/images/SSA50023.JPG

Full Size: http://www.acidtechno.net/images/SSA50049.JPG

Full Size: http://www.acidtechno.net/images/SSA50015.JPG

Heat Cap Section

Cap placed on top of the CPU loose just for the photo. There was a thermal square pad on there before which had sealed like superglue having cooled for some weeks.
Full Size: http://www.acidtechno.net/images/SSA50011.JPG

Full Size: http://www.acidtechno.net/images/SSA50046.JPG

Full Size: http://www.acidtechno.net/images/SSA50014.JPG

Both Side By Side

You can see the dark blob areas on each part where each part would have been joined together.
Full Size: http://www.acidtechno.net/images/SSA50020.JPG

Full Size: http://www.acidtechno.net/images/SSA50019.JPG

Full Size: http://www.acidtechno.net/images/SSA50033.JPG

 

[BassPwr]

whoops indeed

I know I should have heated it beforehand before trying to remove but the problem was the motherboard it was on was failing to start and I was going to send the motherboard back to where I bought it. Didn't have a hairdryer either, lol.

I was impatient that day and wasn't thinking straight, problems with various hardware had me tired (especially the MSI K9N ultra mobo) and I'm not sure why I went and tried to do a lifting action like I did with a flathead screwdriver which resulted in it splitting in half (cpu flying off without core attached). After that happened I did the twist method that I should have done in the first place and it (heat cap half with core on) came off after a few wrist actions and the powerful grip of a metal gripping tool that was big enough to wrap around the edge of the cpu - left hand holding the heatsink pushing forward direction and right hand holding the gripping tool pushing heatcap in backwards direction - was tough work.

Goes to show, if you plan to remove a cpu from a heatsink do it while it's still warm. Not sure if there's any difference between pads and paste.. pads might seal tighter than paste. The pad was one of 2 I got from ebay.

to finish the story I bought a cheap amd athlon 64 cpu to test on the MSI motherboard that wouldn't start and the motherboard worked fine with that new cpu so maybe the 6000+ was the problem after all and was dead before I broke it?

it can't have been anything else because I'm still using the same components in my new build (asus p5n-d and intel e8400 are the new components). Same PSU is powering this machine, I won't rule the PSU out though because it had a few weeks rest, if the same thing happens again then I'll know it wasn't the 6000+ but the hiper at fault.

it's all fun and games eh?

 

[BassPwr]

the dent and cut and the chunk missing happened during the final twist removal attempts when using a pair of metal grips, I tried putting some paper between the gripping teeth and the heatspreader but it shredded the paper anyway and damaged the heatspreader, I couldn't put too much material between the grips or else it was slipping off. The area on the bottom of the amd heatsink/fan unit also suffered a few scratches.

I don't think I have any chance of getting a replacement, I did the damage, and I had used a replacement thermal pad, not from amd.. and that's what caused it to seal so tight.

I don't really want to use the 6000+ model again because it's such a power hog, it was a great cpu though for me for a year or so. The intel offerings were getting better by the day with the E8400 beating the 6000+ in tests (both being 3 ghz chips) and the nice fact it's 45nm vs 90nm, runs cooler and uses less power. So I was happy to *upgrade* to the E8400.

Was sad to change to intel though after having been with amd for a few years and supporting the little guy, but times change.

It probably makes me look a bit of a nub mutilating it in such a way but we all need a laugh sometimes and I'm going to laugh that silly moment away

safe to throw in the bin I guess?

 

[BassPwr]

.... just superglue it together and RMA it lol

Every interconnect from the core to the pins has been severed it
dead, ceased to be, an ex cpu

I suspect AMD might notice assuming they actually test these things as no pins at all would have any continuity with the core but its worth a try.

Many of you have said about doing it so I'm pretty tempted to superglue it together and send it back and try for a replacement. Hoping they will just test it and identify it as dead, but will they bin it or want to investigate? if they manage to split it (if the superglue fails) then maybe they will think they ripped the core off