browser logon ISP - how to make router work?

TBirdUK

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Looks like th eplace I am going to move to only has internet where you plug into the socket via normal network cable and then logon via your browser with a username and password.

Is there any way to get my router to be connected to this type of system so I can connect a couple of machines and get it working wireless? Router is an ADSL router.

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Definately not with your current router - it's expecting a phone connected to it.

I'm guessing most pff the shelf cable routers wont work either, due to the webpage login.
I wonder if a hacked router running DD-WRT or similar could be programmed to automate the logon.
 
what about if I connect through a computer, then connect the router via cable, would that work or am I essentially using it as a hub?
 
You'll need 2 NICs in the computer, one to connect to the wall and another to connect to the router. It'll need to be running ICS or some other package to share or bridge the connection and obviously will need to be on all the time you need to use the internet.
 
ok, no idea what you are on about there with ICS - is that Internet Connection Sharing and if so doesnt Windows 7 do this. I dont mind having a computer on all the time, I'll build a little low powered one to do it or use my netbook - can I conect the netbook to the wall then wirelessly connect the other computers to it?
 
How do I set up the router to share a computers internet connection and not try its self - guess I am trying to turn it into an access point??
 
What are you trying to achieve? Why do you want to connect a router - it's not going to improve matters if you don't need it. If you want multiple wired machines use a switch, if you want wireless than plug in a wireless access point. You'll likely still need to do the browser login from each individual machine but that's how the provider is doing stuff, get another if you're not happy with that.

Or better still - call them and ask - we can speculate about how their network works but they actually know...
 
cant get another isp - thats fixed to the place I'm moving to. What I want is the ability to have multiple computers connected to the ISP without having to log each one on each and every time - ie the way I use my wirelss router - I cant ring them as they wont help me as they are not keen with the wireless aspect (although they have said there is nothing in the T&Cs that stop me!).

The difficulty is the logon method only allows one computer at a time (if I try to log on my 2nd computer/htpc then it will kick out the first/lock the account) and that makes it impossible to have my 2 machines gaming together on the net!

All I'm asking is that, if one machine is connected to the internet and I use connection sharing will I need to logon through the browser or will the 2nd machine just funnel through the 1st computers connection?
 
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anyone on a browser login ISP that they could try a couple of things out for me - need to know before I move so I setup and take the right kit!
 
Been given a couple of ideas

1 use a cable modem and clone mac address from computer that has logged in via browser
2 logon via browser and share internet connection via 2nd network card (wireless or wired)
3 Connect other computers via firewire to a logged on computer
4 Use a cable modem and logon via one of the computers - this will open the port which is how it may work - the router will have the open port so all others can connect through it

What are your thoughts - anyone know the detail of any of the above - work/not work & why??
 
Nobody can reliably answer that for you, there are at least 3 ways off the top of my head to achieve a browser login scheme like that - unless you know which they use and how seriously they take security nobody can tell you what will work and as you don't know what system they have them trying it won't help. Why not just phone them, reasonably explain you need to use two computers on the connection at the same time (it's surely not beyond the realm of possibility two people might be home at the same time right??) and see what they say?
 
I have already phoned them, twice, they are not interested and said that I would have to get seperate accounts which is crazy, they are taking advantage of a monopoly as they are the only supplier due to contracts. Its a room, they believe people only have need for one computer connection and just want the money.

They are only concerned that one person will pay for a connection, then go wireless and let everyone share it - I understand that but thats not my aim, my aim is to get similar to what I get at home (which I get more speed for less money) - the ability to use the connection how I want and not be dictated too - I have paid for the bandwidth, I want to use it my way.

What are the 3 different ways to achieve the browser login - if I knew these then I can look at a solution to the problem.
 
Their connection on their terms, their terms at the end of the day.

Personally, working in the industry, we put restriction in place for reasons and if people don't like it they can speak to others, I'm not inclined to help people circumvent them. Connecting one PC and using it to share the connection is the most likely to work but if they're clued up it's generally detectable. There isn't a way which is foolproof if they're any good.
 
Having read thier terms and conditions there is nothing in there to say I cant do it - they are just, obviously, not going to be overly helpful with it in. The restrictions are necessary to stop sharing between different people, something I am not trying to do but it is overly restrictive for the likes of me who want the connection to run different things at the same time.

I understand if you dont want to help, hopefully there are others out there who can steer me in the right direction so that when I get down to my new place I have the right kit with me (a quiet computer or cable router etc). I would rather just get it done and if they detect it I'll happily let them inspect the setup I have to prove that I'm not taking advantage.

to give you an idea of thier service it £20 for a 2MB connection, if I cant get it to do what I want then BT will charge me £130 for a phone line connection, £11 per month + whatever package price for min 12 months! If the company get £20 per room they are earning a mint (150 rooms) - I'm not looking to effect this but a seperate account for each computer is a little bit crazy!
 
Anyone got any good ideas for this, even if its just an ability to have my phone and computer conected would be better than just one computer?
 
Right, got the cable router - anyone know how I can connect it to a computer (C1) that is already connected to the net to then allow other computers to connect through the router - the computer is connected to the net via wireless)

Do I connect through the WAN port of the router or normal network port and enable ICS on the computer (C1)?
 
Easiest solution would have been to add another network card to the computer, connect a wireless access point (your don't need the router function using ICS) and then setup ICS (or use another network sharing program like CCProxy).

You can use your router however (what's the make/model?), just connect the wan to the 2nd NIC on the computer and switch off the routers DHCP and firewall as ICS will deal with that.
 
Many thanks for the reply - have several routers, both ADSL and cable, but its the cable one I have to use isnt it. That one is a TP-Link WR-1043ND. I want to use a router so I dont have to buy anymore kit, I dont mind having a computer on all the time to make the connection - just would then like the option to either go wireless or wired with my other computers.

Do you think leaving the computer on with ICS will get around the browser logon as all will be sharing its connection?
 
Just to let everyone know - I have solved the problem (although I am not entirely sure how I did it). I now have my TPLINK cable router attached to the RJ45 socket in the wall via the WAN port (as normal for cable router).

I then connect my laptop wirelessly (doesnt work if you do it wired) and logon through the browser - once logged on, then any machine can connect through the wireless router (cable or wirelessly) until either the connection is reset or router is turned off - then just repeat the process.

The router was working with all the settings default (DHCP on etc etc) - it didnt work to start with but this may have had to do with some previous settings.

Thanks all who helped out on this.
 
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