BT ordered to block pirate links

The reason no one's bothered to do this before is because domain blocking doesn't work, as ICE discovered last year, a simple browser plug-in makes everything accessible again. The iwfd* list is uses the blocking as a means of preventing you accidentally stumbling on this you really wouldn't want to see - it doesn't prevent access.

Besides, utorrent has search, comment, rating, send to friend etc all built in now, so any such sets by an isp are worthless since it's not browser based (notice they only offered this a couple weeks after utorrent 3.0). It's news groups and legitimate sites that are in a pickle. Just 1 spelling mistake on a page can half a sites revenue thanks to incorrect search tagging and even the best filters have a 1% error rate (one of the big objections against aus' proposed filter).

Still, while bosses deem this an acceptable use of money this will continue. At one end of their companies they pay people to "produce" reports and tell everyone how bad piracy is for their businesses. In fact this year, for the second consecutive time, they "released" a report a few weeks before they released their annual profits. No official agency could locate the data they used in their report, but it it got all the attention while their highest profits ever were announced.

Sometimes people like to forget that the media exists to sell itself, not to report the truth. Keep people scared, take their money. Trying to control the internet steps on far too many innocent people shoes, not to mention never works :)
 
Lets say for example they did stop(over time) all the priate websites. ISP's would LOSE money! no more going over your download limit and also nobody will see the need for super fast internet, it would be pointless. We'd all have at max 20mb internet, no need for more. Think how much 'priates' contribute to other companys. OcUK for example, think how many proper priates buy 4+ dvd/blu-ray writers, along with countless amounts of cd's dvd's and blu rays for a bigger production. who on earth needs terabytes and terabytes of hard drive space when they are only storing...games? their own bought music collection? What about all the WDTV, boxee, popcorn hour and all other PC to TV streaming devices? Yes i know some people actually rip their own movies/tv shows ect to the pc so they need the storage and what not, but really...would that be 10% of the people who actually use WDTV?(and the other ones)

I really do think this is a bad move and im very doubtful that other isp's will follow.
 
iDroid84 said:
Yes, torrent sites and newsgroups should be banned for the simple fact pirating is illegal and is theft. It has nothing to do with free information.
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Torrents and Newsgroups also have legal uses. Should the internet be banned because it is possible to put films on a server for people to download illegally?
 
Serikiito said:
Do you know what is "killing" the media industry? The industry it self. Bands can promote their music for free to a huge audience and rake in the money from concert and merchandise sales. Games also benefit. I've tried out many games by pirating them before I buy. It gives me a better view on how the game is, sometimes demos just aren't enough. DRM also doesn't help, I can buy the game and have to always be connected to the internet, or I could get the game for free and don't have to bother with DRM.

Remember when home taping was killing the industry? They're still here! Same thing will happen will Piracy, they will moan, point fingers but in the end they just have to adapt.
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This is just too damn true. I'll be honest, I'll pirate a lot of my music collection before I buy it, and would not have bought nearly as much if I had not found the music this way.

Same goes for DRM. My other gaming rig isn't on the internet. I'm not going to get out a good ~20m of ethernet cable just so Securom's happy.

Maybe if a lot of it all wasn't overpriced or full of junk anyway, not as many people would pirate.
 
spleenharvester said:
This is just too damn true. I'll be honest, I'll pirate a lot of my music collection before I buy it, and would not have bought nearly as much if I had not found the music this way.

Same goes for DRM. My other gaming rig isn't on the internet. I'm not going to get out a good ~20m of ethernet cable just so Securom's happy.

Maybe if a lot of it all wasn't overpriced or full of junk anyway, not as many people would pirate.
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Price can have a lot to do with it. I've brought so many games on Steam sales due to how convenient and easy it is to do it.
 
iDroid84 said:
Yes, torrent sites and newsgroups should be banned for the simple fact pirating is illegal and is theft. It has nothing to do with free information.
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But borrowing a DVD or a CD from a friend isn't? I can let a friend borrow an album I just brought, even rip it to their computers and that's fine? That isn't piracy? They didn't buy it, they've still used the product.
 
Pointless and a waste of money.

Block this site, I proxy it the next minute.

Ban my forum account? I make an other one, ban my IP, I proxy around that too and then make a account.

Pointless, the Internet is designed in such a way that there is always a way around a block.

More the media industry acts like this, the more reason not to buy their crap they make.
 
iDroid84 said:
Yep it's piracy s they never purchased the item.
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And its always gone on. All the way back to twin tape stereos -why were they so popular? You borrowed your mates tapes and copied them. You copied songs from the radio 1 top 40 etc etc, its gone on for years. Same with videos. Im not justifying it or anything but its not a new internet problem, there just used to be more physical effort involved.
 
If you were able to copy your mate's car and drive it away would it be theft? No. Your friend still has his car. You have a facsimile. Copyright law never refers to the act of software piracy as 'theft'. I'm aware to some this may be simply semantics at work.

The way to combat software piracy is to compete with it. As has already been mentioned above, Steam does well due to it's aggressive pricing and ease of use. Penalising legitimate users for years with draconian protection software only exacerbates the issue.
 
IronWarrior said:
Pointless and a waste of money.

Block this site, I proxy it the next minute.

Ban my forum account? I make an other one, ban my IP, I proxy around that too and then make a account.

Pointless, the Internet is designed in such a way that there is always a way around a block.

More the media industry acts like this, the more reason not to buy their crap they make.
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Then the proxy gets banned, and your username gets banned again and again. You sound really ignorant with what you just said and quite sad that you would get around a forum ban. Go get a hobby or something instead of trying to be clever getting around things thats there to protect people.
 
The easy solution would be if they just made all TV and films free to everyone then people wouldn't have to download illegally.
Of course the downside is that then there would be no point people buying advertising space in programs as they'd be chopped out and nobody would need to pay subscriptions as everything would be free. So there'd be no profit in making TV or films, but I'm sure that all the cast, crew and TV executive would be prepared to do this for free wouldn't they? I mean that is effectively what people are asking them to do when they download things for free isn't it?
Or do people think that they're a special case and that someone still needs to pay these people as long as it's not them?
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
The easy solution would be if they just made all TV and films free to everyone then people wouldn't have to download illegally.
Of course the downside is that then there would be no point people buying advertising space in programs as they'd be chopped out and nobody would need to pay subscriptions as everything would be free. So there'd be no profit in making TV or films, but I'm sure that all the cast, crew and TV executive would be prepared to do this for free wouldn't they? I mean that is effectively what people are asking them to do when they download things for free isn't it?
Or do people think that they're a special case and that someone still needs to pay these people as long as it's not them?
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In Canada piracy is legal but still many people pay tv subscriptions as it's still much more convenient than getting it over the net.
 
I will stop pirating films and software when they stop charging extortionate amounts for their plastic discs and cardboard boxes.

Edit: In fact that still won't make me willing to fork out money for DVDs/music cds, I'd simply learn to live without them.

Edit 2: So my point is, pirates won't necessarily convert into buyers if you block piracy. These industries could in fact suffer because a LOT LESS people would be using their goods therefore a lot less popularity/virality. Surely a great chunk of a films popularity is directly or indirectly influenced by the pirate market.
 
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opethdisciple said:
As with Tor, in its current state its far too slow.

What would happen when every one starts using it?

Aditionally if people did start using it to hide their activities, they could just bring in new laws to combat it, I mean why do you have to use tor if your not doing anything you shouldnt argument?

There is a current law actually with simialr meaning.

If you get accused of hiding your activity using encryption, you are by default GUILTY! if you fail to reveal the key upon request.

You cant hide from the law. The law owns you.
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200-300kb/s is more than enough to download small zip files (kb's).
I have been using Tor and SSL newsgroup connection for years now and yes it's slower but that's a small price to pay for being 100% safe!
 
All this does is push downloading further underground.

With the amount of public wifi spots, pay as you go sim cards downloading content isn't going to be stopped, it will merely be made more difficult.

The music and film industry need to embrace the internet. Look how successful spotify is and other online streaming sites.
 
IronWarrior said:
Pointless and a waste of money.

Block this site, I proxy it the next minute.

Ban my forum account? I make an other one, ban my IP, I proxy around that too and then make a account.

Pointless, the Internet is designed in such a way that there is always a way around a block.

More the media industry acts like this, the more reason not to buy their crap they make.
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exactly, when you consider some of the money you spend is going to pay for pointless law suits
 
ecksmen said:
All this does is push downloading further underground.

With the amount of public wifi spots, pay as you go sim cards downloading content isn't going to be stopped, it will merely be made more difficult.

The music and film industry need to embrace the internet. Look how successful spotify is and other online streaming sites.
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they've banned one site though, just one, it's completely ridiculous and pathetic

I suppose one thing they are trying to do is grab a headline to scare the average Joe, but the average Joe thinks he's now got three chances.
 
Nope its worse than that.

Was reading an article earlier that said this case was a test case, to see if it would be feasable to expand this to other sites.

They won this one, so they will be more confident of winning others.
 
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