BT ordered to block pirate links

What do you get in piracy that you don't get in the music industry? You get far more options in the music industry. The only thing the music industry can't offer is free content. That's it, the one thing.

There are service where you pay a fix amount for all the content you want. So that's null and void.

I don't that the argument is null, services such as lovefilm do not offer very good quality, have a fairly limited catalogue and don't allow you to store the files on local media.
 
But it's still the model that consumers obviously don't want. As people are saying, if there was a legitimate service that gave you everything you get through piracy, I'd imagine piracy numbers would reduce a lot. People paying £10 for newsgoup access would hardly be against paying the same for official access to the same media, but the media companies don't want to adapt their business model with the times.

What would you get for £10?
 
Whatever you get on newsgroups.

That's not going to work is it. All films, music, books for £10 a month. That's ridicules.

£7-£10 a month will give you unlimited streaming of millions. Of music and to keep around 10 tracks a month.
Infect before sky songs closed that's what I had but for ~£7, which IMO was a darn good price.
 
there already is several services which is free and based on advertisement. But then people complain that it's got advertisement. That's the thing there is no solution and there is nothing more the music industry can do. It is a clear sign that the laws need updating.

what i mean is they distribute the full files either music or video free with sufficient DRM to stop these being redistributed on again eg user keys tied to an account but that still allow the user to load onto whatever they own without issue. advertising banners are simply on the distributer site. needs to be simple though. Only an idea though, they could just give all way free no strings attached and get licencing fees solely from the media players much like TV License fee.

Itunes works as people like simplicity. the CD/DVD used to be simple, buy it, put it in player watch / listen. Apple have this down to a tee with their products and did from day 1.

that's the big problem with digital piracy, it is very simple now
 
Chinese music industry in 2004 only 30% of It's income from sales, the rest were from Endorsements/advertising and concerts. If it works in China, I don't see why if the laws were updated it would not work for music. Even the tv industry is changing, there are tv shows that are produced quite well just from Donations, not on a bbc scale but you get the picture, the same applies to the Film industry as well. There have been some great free films released over the years.
 
So all music, films, games etc on one site? Who would own it?

Newzbin had 700,000 members. Are you saying a legitimate version could be run on £7m or even £84m if it was a monthly fee?

but this is one of many and they would have the opportunity to attract millions of members from everywhere
 
BT is a fascist organization and open reach is fascist as well. You see that is why they can get away with such poor service. They are post socialist organizations that now operate for profit with quasi government regulated competition, ofcom is a joke. It is difficult when it comes to privatizing public infrastructure. They have tried to "open it up" to competition, and they have. But this case just proves that the government aspect still runs through and of course when we have a government aspect it is open to the same sort of corruption that we see in the government. They might cloak it in justice and the corrupt legal system, but we all know that the media companies paid off the legal system, because there is no justice, there is only money, lawyers and judges.
 
I don't think it should be about paying for content anymore, the government should do a uturn and remove copyright restrictions on music and perhaps later on Tv and films, alternative models are going to have to be put in place at some point.Piracy cannot be stopped as new technologies will step into replace what is blocked, artists are celebrities by nature and they should use it for endorsements and concerts, it's more difficult with tv shows and film, but I really think that for £10-£20 a month legitimate services could compete.
 
BT is a fascist organization and open reach is fascist as well. You see that is why they can get away with such poor service. They are post socialist organizations that now operate for profit with quasi government regulated competition, ofcom is a joke. It is difficult when it comes to privatizing public infrastructure. They have tried to "open it up" to competition, and they have. But this case just proves that the government aspect still runs through and of course when we have a government aspect it is open to the same sort of corruption that we see in the government. They might cloak it in justice and the corrupt legal system, but we all know that the media companies paid off the legal system, because there is no justice, there is only money, lawyers and judges.

do you work for virgin media?




lets face it, this is just a rant of your opinions
 
I don't think it should be about paying for content anymore, the government should do a uturn and remove copyright restrictions on music and perhaps later on Tv and films.

have you ever produced anything of value which has taken time, effort and money to achieve? people that have, have every right to protect their IPR and product whether this music, film, vacuum cleaner or a mobile phone

the problem is the pirates not the artists or the law, removing the pirates and mechanisms for pirated media distribution is absolutely the right way of dealing with it.
 
http://www.amazon.com/Against-Intellectual-Property-Stephan-Kinsella/dp/B001DTHFWS book is available online for free.

There is a massive argument against IP and i do not think that most people that argue the case for IP have ever even considered the argument. They are just loud mouth people that that like government enabled monopolies. Their product sucks so much that they have to get legislation from the government to prevent people from making it better.
 
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http://www.amazon.com/Against-Intellectual-Property-Stephan-Kinsella/dp/B001DTHFWS

There is a massive argument against IP and i do not think that most people that argue the case for IP have ever even considered the argument. They are just loud mouth people that that like government enabled monopolies. There product sucks so much that they have to get legislation from the government to prevent people from making it better.

please stop ranting or i may be tempted to write a book which argues against you
 
http://www.amazon.com/Against-Intellectual-Property-Stephan-Kinsella/dp/B001DTHFWS book is available online for free.

There is a massive argument against IP and i do not think that most people that argue the case for IP have ever even considered the argument. They are just loud mouth people that that like government enabled monopolies. Their product sucks so much that they have to get legislation from the government to prevent people from making it better.

I do find your position on intellectual property bizarre compared to the rest of your views... Do you object to government legislation to protect physical property as well?
 
have you ever produced anything of value which has taken time, effort and money to achieve? people that have, have every right to protect their IPR and product whether this music, film, vacuum cleaner or a mobile phone

the problem is the pirates not the artists or the law, removing the pirates and mechanisms for pirated media distribution is absolutely the right way of dealing with it.

You and I both know that legitimate users will eventually suffer from the actions taken from actions against pirates, I can't imagine it will be long till Vpn providers will start getting blocked.
I am defending the rights of inventors, engineers however I do not want to defend such a corrupt industry who lobbies with governments everyday taking more and more of our rights, there is a genuine problem and no matter how much legislation is in the way to stop pirates, it will still happen and probably on the same scale at the moment.
Potential actions that may happen in the future are the equivalent of blocking the Severn bridge to stop stolen Cars getting into England, pointless as there are ways around it and effects legitimate users.
The government and the courts should not back down to these profit squeezers or should uturn the media industry, after all this country is supposed to be free and not bogged down with legislation that effects innocent users. We don't need to go as far as China but I can't see the harm done other than a few people whining about change, the truth of the matter is that your right to protect your content should not override the rights of civilians to have access to information ( which will incontrovertibly be blocked).
 
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