BT rolls out 'faster broadband'

tolien · 2 May 2008 at 11:08

In some areas it is, not all. I see its coaxial copper to some houses over there.

The vast majority of cable deployments are HFC, the same as VM/Omne here. Even Verizon have admitted that FIOS costs more than they make.

Pulse said:
I feel that BT are being extremely slow with this upgrade for its exchanges. Not only that but the my exchange ins't being upgraded till Q3 2011!

Watch that you don't confuse the 21CN PSTN upgrade and the 21CN ADSL changes. One plays with your voice service, the other doesn't.

bledd · 2 May 2008 at 11:13

sweden > uk

carlazai · 2 May 2008 at 19:29

Kenya > UK

EDIT: pigeons > UK

David91 · 2 May 2008 at 20:44

my cable here is Optical fiber, I'm on a built up area and that probably why, the BT's new "faster broadband" is last generation, i hate to think that loads of people will be suckered into a contract with BT because of this Hyper-speed upgrade when its actually not that quick by today's global standards

tolien · 2 May 2008 at 21:50

David91 said:
my cable here is Optical fiber

Only if you believe the crap that Virgin Media fed you - a good chunk of the connection between you and the UBR is coax.

i hate to think that loads of people will be suckered into a contract with BT because of this Hyper-speed upgrade when its actually not that quick by today's global standards

Plenty of ISPs don't have contract terms longer than a month. Don't confuse BT Retail (who so far haven't said anything about what they'll do with 21CN) with BT Wholesale (who'll provide this service to every ADSL ISP that wants it).

ANDARIAL · 3 May 2008 at 07:30

tntcoder said:
How will 21cn increase speeds for people far away from the exchange? For example i have a straight line distance of 2.8km and can at a push get 3mbit on MAX, will this improve when they offer 24mbit? or am i screwed unless fiber is used?

I am interested in an answer to this too.I live about 5 km from the exchange and on a good day can squeeze 2.5 mbps from my line
Will c21n allow us who live further from the exchange to see any speed increase ?

wesley · 3 May 2008 at 08:25

tntcoder said:
How will 21cn increase speeds for people far away from the exchange? For example i have a straight line distance of 2.8km and can at a push get 3mbit on MAX, will this improve when they offer 24mbit? or am i screwed unless fiber is used?

ANDARIAL · 3 May 2008 at 08:44

my att is around 55 so according to that graph i would get the same /slower speeds than i am getting now

but i can only get 2.5mbps so (for me at least)that graph isnt accurate as it shows i should get about 4mbps
pity

Trifid · 3 May 2008 at 08:50

Look at adsl1 average. Seems to be pretty accurate to me reading as just under 2.5Mbps for your attenuation.

ANDARIAL · 3 May 2008 at 08:54

You are right

Did not see the other line in that graph.Must remember to alter the contrast or something on my monitor

jamoor · 3 May 2008 at 10:14

Wholesale Broadband Connect should be available in your area from August 18th 2008

Does that mean I can potentially get faster internet?

Trifid · 3 May 2008 at 10:22

jamoor said:
Wholesale Broadband Connect should be available in your area from August 18th 2008

Does that mean I can potentially get faster internet?

As long as your ISP supports it (Only know of Entanet and BT atm). Also need to have quite a good line to make any difference in speed between max and ADSL2+.

CurlyWhirly · 4 May 2008 at 19:54

tolien said:
Given the increased differential in price for WBC between some exchanges, there's more to it than OMGZ 24Mbitz!!!!

I didn't know that there could be a price differential depending on what exchange you are on :eek:

tolien said:
If anyone bothered to look behind the curtain, there might not be such a rush for 21CN...

I bet BT hope there is a rush especially after spending £10 billion on the 21CN upgrade!

Craig321 · 4 May 2008 at 19:56

Schnippzle said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7376173.stm

Is it just me.....or is BT well behind on all this?

Phtt, they can't even provide proper 512Kbps internet to our house just because it's 2km from the exchange and they're already releasing 24Mbps :rolleyes:

tolien · 4 May 2008 at 20:17

CurlyWhirly said:
I didn't know that there could be a price differential depending on what exchange you are on

The top 1000 exchanges already have a small discount, the gap gets bigger with WBC. It's not such a surprise - the top 1000 exchanges have more than one LLU operator, and competition should equal lower prices...

CurlyWhirly said:
I bet BT hope there is a rush especially after spending £10 billion on the 21CN upgrade!

21CN saves BT money, so it'll pay for itself either way. IPStream's going to die, so there isn't much choice...

Vertigo · 5 May 2008 at 10:26

tntcoder said:
How will 21cn increase speeds for people far away from the exchange? For example i have a straight line distance of 2.8km and can at a push get 3mbit on MAX, will this improve when they offer 24mbit? or am i screwed unless fiber is used?

The 21CN only deals with the infrastructure or "backbone", it has nothing to do with the "last mile" to your house.

What's needed there is fibre-to-the-home (FTTH) or, more realistically, fibre-to-the-cabinet (FTTC) to eliminate or vastly reduce the length of the old copper lines and permit higher speeds.

The problem is that the government has backed BT into a corner. They are legally obligated to open up their network to competitors so where exactly is the incentive to spend billions on upgrades which their competitors can then use for a relatively low fee? Indeed, as as private company with shareholders, they are obligated to maximise the return for those shareholders and wouldn't be able to make such an investment unless they could guarantee a decent return. I think the last figures I read put FTTC at £10b and FTTH at £15b.

milkinc13 · 5 May 2008 at 13:56

Vertigo1 said:
The 21CN only deals with the infrastructure or "backbone", it has nothing to do with the "last mile" to your house.

What's needed there is fibre-to-the-home (FTTH) or, more realistically, fibre-to-the-cabinet (FTTC) to eliminate or vastly reduce the length of the old copper lines and permit higher speeds.

The problem is that the government has backed BT into a corner. They are legally obligated to open up their network to competitors so where exactly is the incentive to spend billions on upgrades which their competitors can then use for a relatively low fee? Indeed, as as private company with shareholders, they are obligated to maximise the return for those shareholders and wouldn't be able to make such an investment unless they could guarantee a decent return. I think the last figures I read put FTTC at £10b and FTTH at £15b.

last i read it's costing 10b to do 21cn, so surely for the same cost they could have installed FTTC, ok it would have meant digging up most of the country, but that doesn't stop the gas & water companies from doing it

tolien · 5 May 2008 at 18:15

milkinc13 said:
last i read it's costing 10b to do 21cn, so surely for the same cost they could have installed FTTC

21CN will pay for itself in the long term: it saves BT money over the current mess of networks, and provides the capacity to expand that ATM doesn't have. FTTH that's no faster than ADSL, because there's no capacity within the core network, would hardly be worth doing...