BTEC Computer Studies rant..

Are you at Surrey? Did you have A Level Maths? I'm considering applying but I won't have A Level Maths, should get DDD for the BTEC though.

Don't have A level Maths, just a B at GCSE.

I go to Reading. UCAS's website says Reading take the BTEC on its own merits with no requirement for additional qualifications, but Surrey don't even list it at all. The Diploma thing they do list, though, says you need like 400 points, which is obviously 40 more than you get from a DDD. But I haven't a clue what that qualification is -- UCAS doesn't make it clear at all.

To be honest, I don't know whether Surrey would accept it or not, as I didn't apply there, but I don't see any harm sending an application off.
 
Don't have A level Maths, just a B at GCSE.

I go to Reading. UCAS's website says Reading take the BTEC on its own merits with no requirement for additional qualifications, but Surrey don't even list it at all. The Diploma thing they do list, though, says you need like 400 points, which is obviously 40 more than you get from a DDD. But I haven't a clue what that qualification is -- UCAS doesn't make it clear at all.

To be honest, I don't know whether Surrey would accept it or not, as I didn't apply there, but I don't see any harm sending an application off.

If it's worth 360 maximum they'll accept you, surely? All of them use the UCAS system... obviously there may be other criteria I don't know of, but as far as prior qualifications go, that seems to be clear.
 
we did quite a bit more than that on our course

:( I was really gutted because I wanted to do the btec diploma in networking but only 11 people wanted to do it and their magic number was 13...so the course was cancelled on the opening day and I got put down to a national and general :( but Im in more of a direction of where I want to be now :D
 
We have an onsite Prometric test suite.

Students can take all the A+ and MCDST exams onsite and they are included in the cost.
 
im doing that course.. 1st year tho.. hate it all.. not even sure if i have learned anything.. and the bit where teachers say you are level 3 student you can find info your self is sooo wrong.. :/
 
my lad is doing this course a lot of the courseware is jsut total rubbish.. (btec level 3 full time 2 year course)

the final straw is the fact they dropped the networking part of the course and replaced it with a Games Design module.

Can the collage do drop such a useful module and replace it with their own rubbish?

that does seem a bit mad

what does the games design module even involve, I wouldn't have thought they could really teach anything relevant at BTEC level 3 - surely you'd need equivalent to undergrad level applied maths to even start doing anything related to say 3D graphics etc...

perhaps it isn't the best thought out course but tbh... he should use it as a means to an end - just do well on it, spend the next two years learning as much as possible and then go to university - if he wants to specalise in something like networks etc.. later on then there will be plenty of opportunity.
 
my lad is doing this course a lot of the courseware is jsut total rubbish.. (btec level 3 full time 2 year course)

the final straw is the fact they dropped the networking part of the course and replaced it with a Games Design module.

Can the collage do drop such a useful module and replace it with their own rubbish?

Is the courseware not reviewed? is there no standard?

They have no books only a few a4 handouts with nothing more than a few lines of info on for them to look up more info on on wikipedia... the lecturer does not know anything about IT and jsut tells them off for asking questions saying 'you are level 3 students you should be able to find the information yourself'

"Computer Studies" is such a general title, it could cover anything and everything to do with 'computers' - and most of what they do cover is done at such a high level, it's almost worthless anyway. I've spent 2 years doing the ND in computer studies, then another 2 years doing HND in the same thing. Although it's 13 years since I finished the HND, I'd expect that the same applies today in that most of the subject matter is just garbage and is only designed to teach how you to 'pass the exams', rather than 'how to survive in the real world'... much like driving lessons teach you 'how to pass the driving test', and it's only when you've passed the test and started driving by yourself that you really learn to drive properly.

If they've dropped 'Networking' from the curriculum, so what...? Even if they kept it in, he'd only learn 0.1% of what he'd need to know if he perused a career in IT Support/Network Management. Same with Game Design, he's only going to learn 0.1% of what he'd need to know in order to be a Games Designer.

By doing that course all you're doing is getting a very high-level overview of a lot of stuff which meets some predefined criteria set by "BTEC" or whoever it is now... with the ultimate goal being to simply get a bit of paper at the end (i.e. the qualification).

Once you've got the qualification you'd hopefully have taken an interest in one particular aspect of it, i.e. Software Development, Project Management, IT Support, Web Design. Then you can, if you want, find a degree course that specializes in one of the above and then learn some more specific/useful stuff... after which you can hopefully get a foot on the ladder as, for example, a 'Junior/Graduate Developer'. Once you are in somewhere, then you learn how to do it all properly... then build up your skill set and work your way up. Or if you are lucky, you can sack the Degree off, and try and get in somewhere with just the HND.

... I wouldn't get too hung-up on what the course does and doesn't cover, as it's mostly all BS anyway.

BTW I didn't take the degree route and managed to get into a software company straight away. I'm now a .NET developer working for a big firm, using absolutely nothing that I learned from ND/HND.

All your qualification does is help you to get in somewhere, once you are in, the experience you gain will eventually completely over-ride the value of any qualifications you do or don't have.
 
Well I was talking to some guys last night, and I feel like I'm heading down a path to no where, destined to be working a **** job for the rest of my life, they know people with full degrees who are unable to get a job, I think I am going to go on to do a BA, or BSc whichever one it is after, but I don't feel confident about the future, they also told me how the IT sector was apparently "over subscribed"
 
they also told me how the IT sector was apparently "over subscribed"

Yep, thank-you India

It's big companies like BT who bring the Indian graduates over to the UK, dump them in flats that they rent and then have them working on IT projects for 12 months at a time. There are exceptions but generally they do second-rate work (at best), but it saves the company a lot of money.

... then you've got the companies who just simply outsource the IT work to the big places in India like L&T Infotech, and therefore have a big chunk of the development/testing done overseas, but remotely manage it from the UK via a much smaller team. You still generally get second-rate work, but again it saves the companies a fortune.

It sucks, but that's the way it is. :mad:

Until something changes, the amount of IT work that's available here will just get smaller and smaller.
 
I'm surprised how many people on here seemed to be enrolled on a BTEC IT course who don't actually know which pathway they were enrolled on. Did the college not tell you?

in 2000 we where not given an option.
 
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